Hi again Thanks Hardy. I think I need to purch them more into the bit like you said. I have been doing that since I noticed the loose coupling rein. What about the coupling rein attachment of being around the whole bar for a sideways pull? I use Glory Bits. Thanks. Bettyann Seablade _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````