Keith, am I understanding you right if I say the quick release is attached to the pole head and the caribiner is attached to the quick release itself (with no strap or chain in between) and then the carabiner is snapped into the dee of the breastcollar? My ponies are also 12 hands (sec. A welsh) and my interest also lies in CDEs (once I know they can be reliable). I also have pole straps for presentation, but like something for quick hitching when practicing. With your ponies only having 3" of space between them and the pole, does the pole interfere with them at all? I have a drop pole on my wagonette. It is a Sierakowski, and held up well in the crash. What weight rating carabiner do you use? Thanks, Olive > > > > The pole head is fixed and the total width of the pole head is only 6" > > inches. The length of the combined caribiner and quick release > is 7". When > > attached to the D ring on the breast collar this setup (which is for the > > marathon and the cones) gives the ponies about 3" of space between the > pole > > and their shoulder. The caribiner is connected to the breast collar and > the > > quick release is connected to the pole head. > > > > > > Do you use a pole strap? Do chains work just as well (for practice)?Do > you > > use the quick release on the pole and the caribiner on the > breast collar? > > > > Olive > ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````