Yes, it helps… but I’m already on a nice reasonably new motherboard and great
chip, lots of memory… the whole system runs 7 just fine.
What I meant was the interface mfgr’s are not designing boards for PCI anymore…
and for that matter are definitely into 10 and beyond. So that is the
limitation.
But the real serious limitation is the fact that past Windows 7 there is no
Classic Windows scheme and all of CakeTalking depended on it exclusively.
Heck, there was a time when certain features/functions of CakeTalking even
expected you to have the classic scheme working solely for its color choices.
I remember when I could see it was very important for me to put the screen in
the white on black basic high contrast that MS offered. It took a version or
two, but David actually made some major changes that had they not been made, I
would not have been able to use CT even at any level at all. I always thought
he made those changes mainly because of several phone calls and emails, plus
begging and groveling 😊 at a conference or two. 😊 I put two smiley’s because
this is completely not true. It just took a massive effort for him to change
relying on a certain color to be on a certain control and so forth.
Regardless of the changes he made so that I could use CT with the white on
black high contrast, all of that is gone now that the whole classic scheme is
not available.
It is amazing to me that as incredibly flexible Windows 10 is with
personalization, they could not have engineered a specific legacy setting just
so things that (ill advisedly or not) relied upon it, cold keep working on
the new platform. MS is reasonably good at backwards compatibility, so I’m not
companlining really, but God, can you imagine if they just decided without any
asking to dropthe majority of the keyboard shortcuts that have been working for
the past nearly 40 years? It would be devastating. Well, that is how I feel
about losing Sonar and CT, devastated.
It's funny, I rememvber so carefully denying the updates to 10 that were nearly
forced on the computer almost every day back when it first came out… but I
don’t know why I was doing that other than warnings that CT would not work on
10. Then about 2017 I went into hiding for about two and a half years only to
emerge to find out that I’m limited to the machine and the peripherals I had
bought back in 2016 specifically to run Sonar/CT. Well, it didn’t bother me
too much since I bought and upgraded to all SDD’s, but ehn I started hitting
into some studio-based problems that never occurred while working live at the
club, or in my rehearsal/recording studio back then. It was all about the
headphone cue mixes for the musicians and the monitor mixes for stage, etc.
The PreSonus board handled all of that perfectly. Now, it is totally
unsatisfactory for working as a real studio/only workstation DAW interface.
There are simply not enough physical outputs that are mappable, so unless
Iincorporate the mixer again (which now I can’t do) there is no way to even do
overdubs of virtually any kind with live musicians. Of couse it can be done but
not with any ease at all.
So that is a long way around saying sure I would always like newer hardware,
even to run the Windows 7, but I don’t need it.
I’m still looking at Samplitude. I am a little worried that my initial
exhuberance might have been a little premature. In the first few videos I’ve
watched so far Steve is terrific, but he often says things like, “When you get
to this screen pressB and thenshift tab twice…” Well all well and good, but of
course I have no idea of telling what screen he is talking about getting to.
Even though his vision is obviously very limited, it is not so limited that he
can’t tell roughly where he is. Again, this may be a difficult jump for a
totally blind individual. I’m hoping to contact some Samplitude users who are
totally blind who can tell me more about this possibility. I know this… had
this product been around back in say 1998 or even early 2000’s, I would have
jumped on it and loved it immediately. I had pretty good partial sight for
computer screens.
O well, moving on.
John
PS I would not usually bore anyone reading this list with this theme I’m sure
it is not very enlightening, but I’m also pretty sure there are lots of people
in this same situation. But even so, I won’t continue with belaboring that
Sonar/CT is a sunsetted package… unless, that is, I find some great work-around
for the various problems this causes. No worries… 😊
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
DJ X
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 9:33 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: PCI
Well if you had to, you could successfully run Windows 7 on new hardware, I’ve
been building Windows 7 and Windows 10 daws (as a dual boot system) for quite a
few customers lately, and it works great!
Of course you still wouldn’t have PCI slots, as those have been long gone from
the scene 😊
HTH, DJX
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf
Of john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 4:57 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: PCI
Well PCI is a very early computer industry term. It stands for Peripheral
Component Interconnect. Computers have PCI “slots” on their motherboard.
There are old slots and new slots. I have no old style PCI slots left on the
motherboard of the Windows 7 computer on which my DAW resides. Sonar using
CakeTalk can not be moved to newer computers that use Windows 10. It must
remain at Windows 7, so I can not just get a new machine (laptop, or desktop,
or tower format) computer and upgrade everything to the latest software, and
hardware that would make recording so easy.
So, I will keep investigating the best way to go.
Thank for your help.
/john
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf
Of A Ker
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:09 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: PCI
Allô John,
PCI, this is something I do not clearly understand. First what could mean those
letters? I think that you need to update yours to use your DAW and SONAR.
Encore une fois, j’suis désolé de vous poser tant de question car je suis
curieux. Hahaha!
Thank you.
Adel
De : ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé : 28 février 2020 18:59
À : ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Objet : [ddots-l] Re: Newer DAW Before Returning to Your 1010?
Adel,
No, it’s pretty certain now that the latency I had experienced when I used a
DAW with a 1010… that it was NOT the 11010’s fault. So, no, if I had a free PCI
slot, I would just find one and put it in the box right away… but this
particular box does not have any available old style PCI. Instead I’ll probably
look for this Saphire series interface that is being touted as very good, and
accessible even on Windows 7 which I am locked to because of CakeTalking. I’m
guessing there is a Saphire with newer PCI slot. If not, I’ll still probably
just switch boards around in my machine and get the Saphire since it sounds a
little more modern and less problematic than anything else.
As to money and DAW’s and music… no, unfortunately, I have no aversion to
spending whatevber is available on my lifelong love. It’s always been my
downfall, and I see no reason to stop now… belief or unbelief not withstanding.
😊
/john
PS I always say when I’m building a new computer that “This time I’m going to
build the biggest, fastest most amazing system available… I usually do… and a
few months later it has been relegated to yesterday’s news by the latest state
of the art thing!
Like Spok said about military secrets… the same is true with music, “… that
technology is the most fleeting of all!”
So, this next go around, I’m going to just stick to whatever I must do to stay
with Sonar and Caketalking as I know it, and that locks me to a much older
technology than I want in many cases, but it isn’t *awful*, and it has always
let me make some pretty good music. Hopefully, this time I’ll be old enough
and mature enough to be satisfied with whatever that dictates, even though it
doesn’t have the latest bells and whistles! Acceptable latency though, is not
a bell or whistle, it is a necessity… so I have to get back to that level to
start with.
First thing for me to do is to abandon the front end mixing I’ve been doing for
the past few years with the big PreSonus board. Too bad, I did like it.
On the whole, it is certainly the least of what I’ve lost. 😊
JE
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf
Of A Ker
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 4:17 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Newer DAW Before Returning to Your 1010?
Greetings John and the community,
Do you mean that you would search for a newer and better interface to avoid
latency, then revert to your 1010? You should understand that in this world,
money is important for living, but not too much: some say it is the
unbeliever’s god.
Thank you.
Adel
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[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Envoyé : 25 février 2020 19:40
À : ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Objet : [ddots-l] Yes, that's it!
Yes, the 1010, that was its model…
Thanks to all who answered…
I was hoping that it was not part of the latency of that old system… Great to
know, but before I revert to that old unit, I will look into some of the newer
offerings suggested.
/john
