The only thing that will motivate a company to serve the blind, a small market, is to show that the improvements they make will also benefit the sighted, their core audience. Threatening legal action only makes people dig their heals in and sake "Forget You," or worse. Sonar didn't make their product accessible out of the goodness of their hearts entirely. They realized that we were a loyal audience and that making their product accessible would improve their product in general. Things like product templates and other improvements were undertaken to make life easier for their entire audience. These happen to make life good for us and that's the way to approach things. Being entitled is never constructive. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:18 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 Can you explain that a little more? I'm not sure I follow you. Omar Binno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin L. Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 > Be a man. Don't go there. Proove to them that their product will be > more desirable to the sighted audience if you improve the user > interface. K. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On > Behalf Of Matthew McLaren > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:53 AM > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 > > > well i dont know about american law, but im sure there has to be some > sort of antidiscrimination law that is in violation. may be worth some > research Matthew McLaren Post Producer for: Darker Projects: Audio > Theatre in a Darker Shade http://www.darkerprojects.com Colonial > Radio Theatre on the air http://www.colonialradio.com/ > > Mail: > mattymc2@xxxxxxxxxx > MSN: > mr_squigy_head@xxxxxxxxxxx > Skype: > mattymc2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:50 AM > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 > > >>I wonder...if we really dig deep into issues like this...whether >>companies like this are violating the ADA, especially by not even >>being willing to thoroughly address these issues with us and being >>brief with their responses. >> >> Omar Binno >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matthew McLaren" <mattymc2@xxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:20 AM >> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 >> >> >>>i emailed them about kontakt the other day and hey didnt wanna know >>>about it. argh. so many good sounds that we cant use >>> Matthew McLaren >>> Post Producer for: >>> Darker Projects: Audio Theatre >>> in a Darker Shade >>> http://www.darkerprojects.com >>> Colonial Radio Theatre on the air >>> http://www.colonialradio.com/ >>> >>> Mail: >>> mattymc2@xxxxxxxxxx >>> MSN: >>> mr_squigy_head@xxxxxxxxxxx >>> Skype: >>> mattymc2 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:16 PM >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 >>> >>> >>>> We need to write to native instruments or something. lol I'd hate >>>> to let this go unaddressed, especially with the great sounds they >>>> have to offer > >>>> with their softsynths. lol I know I know, mostly wishful thinking >>>> as >>>> far > >>>> as getting through to them anytime soon. >>>> >>>> Omar Binno >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chris Smart" <chris_s@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:20 PM >>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Kontakt2 >>>> >>>> >>>>> As far as I know, B4 is accessiblble, but the program to install >>>>> it is not. 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