[ddots-l] Re: Changing Tuning Reference With Soft Synths to A432
- From: "Bill" <billlist1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:10:30 -0400
Jay, who knew? What a fascinating post to close out a long week. I'm going
to try to find that documentary on Net Flicks.
I remember learning in school that A440 was not always 440 and that, until
standardization came in, the A used in one town or even one neighborhood
could vary a lot from the one used elsewhere. In general, the people who
study these things have concluded that the pitch we tune to called A has
been gradually rising for centuries. The deliberate move to lower it by 8
cycles per second is really interesting and seems to go against the trend.
As someone who has almost perfect pitch or, maybe better to say, pretty good
pitch memory, I have even once or twice been distracted by "period"
recordings of pieces such as Handel's Messiah on which the players used
instruments built around the time that the music had been composed. Turns
out that those instruments don't play as well when tuned to the modern A 440
standard. Some smart people worked out that they must have been tuned down
from where we have the pitch we call A today. It does alter the character
of the music. The Hallelujah chorus is almost in what we would call D-Flat.
It seems to me that the music sounds a bit more relaxed.
Very interesting stuff indeed.
Bill
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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:35 PM
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Changing Tuning Reference With Soft Synths to A432
Ok Guys, This might be long, but if you are interested in the whole 432
thing, here is what I've found.
Someone told me about 432 a year or so ago. I tried it for about a minute
and then tuned up again. I thought it was pretty, but not worth the hassle
of constently going back and forth.
Then last week a friend sent me a link to a YouTube video where a guy was
talking about the spiritual benefits of 432. I am a Christian, and this
particular gentleman is someone I'm familiar with and have great respect
for, not only as a minister of the gospel, but also as a
guitarist...seriously great player.
Before watching the video, I tuned my Goodall acoustic guitar to A432HZ.
This time was much different than the last time I tried it. It was
wonderful! And yes Chris, it's just a wee bit south of A440Hz.
My Goodall is an incredible instrument, and I have taken very good care of
it. But there have always been a couple of spots where the fourths and
fifths didn't match up quite right. I thought it might be the angle of my
arm as the condition that caused my blindness also destroyed my elbow, and I
don't have full rotation of my wrist.
But after tuning to 432Hz, poof! Those intonation trouble spots were gone!
Just gone! My guitar is perfect!
Then I watched the video. This guy said some pretty radical things, and
with no one home but my happy pit bull Bo, I started yelling at the guy on
the video saying "How do you know that?" As I said, he was saying some
things that were just incredible if they are really true, but he wasn't
giving a bunch of background. You know, like turning in a term paper
without any references.
So, I started to my own digging on the Internet.
Before all this came up, my wife and I watched a documentary on Net Flicks,
a Nova documentary called "At The Edge Of Space." Its about Sprites. No,
not the mythical creatures or the soda. Sprites are lightning flashes that
go up from a storm cloud to the ionesphere instead of down to the ground.
My wife said the photography is breathtaking.
Anyway, they interview this scientist who lives out in the wilderness of
Maine. He tracks these sprites when they occur anywhere on earth. He uses
low-tech gear from the 50s. Hang with me guys, this gets good. He monitors
the frequency of the earth. He says the earth runs at roughly 8Hz, and any
time there is a sprite occurance on the planet, his equipment sees it
because, like the string of a violin, the whole cavity between the
ionesphere and the surface of the earth vibrates. It is called the Schumann
resonance.
From Wikipedia:
The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely
low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum.
Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, excited by
lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth's surface and the
ionosphere.
What does this have to do with 432? When you increase 8Hz by five octaves,
16Hz, 32Hz, 64Hz, 128Hz, and finally 256Hz, which happens to be a C. The
"A" in that octave is 432Hz. This tuning is called by many names, Verdi
tuning, Pethagoran tuning, or Scientific tuning.
There's much to unpack with this whole thing, but since I've already written
a book here, I will mention one more point. This tuning yields an array of
frequencies in chordal harmony contexts that most of us have never heard at
any time before in our lives because music has been for the vast majority of
us based on an A440Hz standard. That is very intreiguing to me.
So, I was sitting in front of my TV playing my Goodall and listening to
Jimmy Fallon. Here comes One Republic playing there number 1 hit song in
America, and I started jamming with them. Suddenly I stopped, and started
laughing and saying "No way!" I was in 432 and so were they, at least on
the Fallon show! Maybe I was just tired though. If you got this far, guess
what? I'm done!
Jay
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 3:37 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Changing Tuning Reference With Soft Synths to A432
hmm why would that be?
Anyway, the standard has shifted over the years.
some orchestras are up to 445 now.
At 04:33 PM 8/15/2014, you wrote:
>I wonder if Australian pianos are also tuned to A442.
>
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>[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin L Gibbs
>Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 1:29 PM
>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Changing Tuning Reference With Soft Synths to
>A432
>
>Actually, I read an article about A432 being what is known as the "God
>Tone." Some people apparently think it is the original A. so, these
>folks appear to want to record their music with this reference. that
>said, it would be interesting to know how you retune a soft synth. It
>must be possible since Europeans are accustomed to pianos tuned at
>A442. Remember that A440 is a standard created by the AFM. It is
>arbitrary, and only in North America. so, there must be a solution.
>
>Let us know,
>Kevin
>
>On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Steve Spamer wrote:
>
> > How bizarre. Couldn't you just do it at 440 and then detune it when
> > it's finished, if that's what they want? What's the reasoning, have
> > you
>asked?,
> > as does it really matter when you change the tuning? Perhaps they
> > have
a
> > tendancy to sing flat, who knows, Steve.
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> > Behalf Of Jay Pilkington
> > Sent: 15 August 2014 14:02
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> > Subject: [ddots-l] Changing Tuning Reference With Soft Synths to
> > A432
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I have a project where my client is wanting to record everything at
A432Hz
> > instead of A440Hz. Is it possible to change Dimension Pro or
> > Rapture,
or
> > any other of the stock soft synths that come with Sonar Producer 8.5?
> >
> > Thanks,
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> > Jay Pilkington
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