> The only useful suggestion I have is to use my versions of OP (2.77) I have OP 2.76. > ... I cannot repeat your problem. I haven't pinned down the exact circumstances. In some cases it crashes when I round the corners of an embedded frame, but in some cases it doesn't. In one case when it seemed OK, I added a 'return' after the previous paragraph (to check that it was embedded) and that made it crash. In another, I had two frames touching that crashed when I rounded them, so thinking about the co-incident corners, I moved one to the side before rounding it (OK) but it crashed as soon as I tried to move it. John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk