see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbuddin_Hekmatyar
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omar
see url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
For those of you who are not Asian, Muslim or Afghani...but are
interested in following this discussion, then check out the urls I have
posted. Please note, that Wikipeidia is only an introduction to a
subject and that the facts or interpretations contained therein are not
necessarily the truth or factual...And also, please note, that other
participants in the debate can also introduce their own urls to back up
or explain or develop the ponts they are making in this discussion...And
please...remember it is a discussion and a debate and not a war where
the game is to attack the other participant and destroy them and their
ideas and philosophy. We live in a very complicated world and
international society...Should we destroy it and start again...I will
leave that up to the Nihilists...but remember that the death of god,
means that god did exist...I am not a Nihilist...😉
ATB
Dougie.
P.S. More to follow...😁 And double P.S. Bin Laden was a rich
intellectual terrorist. He and his family came from Saudi Arabia and not
Afghanistan. The USG didn't attack South Arabia, it attacked Iran and
Afghanistan and Iraq...in that good old Christian tradition of blaming
someone else for its own felonies and misdemeanours..
On 13/07/2021 17:37, coronacrypt@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
A "talib" is a term that references a "knowledge seeker" or teacher, hence
the origin of the word Taliban.
If thousands were executed by the Taliban for "sexual orientation" I have
not heard of this. What I know is that the Taliban had a massive problem
specifically with homosexual molestation of male children (occurring with
soldiers and commanders from within their ranks), and that is exactly the
reason why they were unable to repel the US invasion because they did not
have god behind them while that grave sin sat on their plate unaddressed by
the leadership (I don't believe Mullah Omar or Gulbydin Hekmatyar were
approving of this behaviour, it seems more that they were embarrassed about
it and trying their hardest to suppress the information about this problem
they were having from getting out to the global public.
Bin Laden was also furious about that LGBT Taliban shit as well. The
Taliban tried their hardest to keep the stories from getting to him, but
there were always people whispering in his ear about it, hoping that Bin
Laden himself would stand up to them and force them to address it. We
actually do have a big problem with LGBT in certain "Islamic" countries
because the leadership of these countries are secretly pro-gay and thus
pushing it on the public via foreign assistance (Morocco, Pakistan, Iran,
the three most notable other than Afghanistan, although I believe that
Pakistan and the Taliban are finally starting to move away from that with
the only remaining LGBT holdouts in the Islamic World being the Shiite
Muslim leadership of Morocco and Iran).
-----Original Message-----
From: cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cryptome-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On
Behalf Of Ali Reza Hayati
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:57 AM
To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cryptome] Re: Gay men will be crushed to death by pushing a WALL
onto them as part of nationwide return to Sharia law in Afghanistan under
the Taliban, one of the Islamist group's judges reveals
I'm relying to this as a Middle Eastern who actually lives in the area and
is familiar with the languages there.
On Tue, 2021-07-13 at 08:25 -0400, coronacrypt@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
The Taliban is pro-gay,No. Not at all. Thousands of people were murdered during time by Taliban
because of their sexual orientation.
and that is why most of the Arabs reject this movement as beingTalib (teachers)? Talib means someone who wants something. Taliban means the
composed of authentic Talib (teachers).
group of people who want something. The current case is Islamic Emirate to
be installed in the country.
Bin Laden was also actually very against it. He was literally aboutBin Laden was the leader of Al-Qaeda and was never against Taliban's
to leave Afghanistan in 2001 because of their "Batcha bazi" stuff, but
Pakistan convinced him to stay because they were plotting to frame him
(and he was not aware of it at the time).
philosophy, but some policies. In the matter of being gay, Taliban and
Al-Qaeda are only different in the torture and the way they kill people, not
anything else.
https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan/Here in our culture, not every touch is sexual abuse or harassment. We kiss
It is a big problem over there (the molestation of little boys).
Taliban actually have a field manual that instructs Taliban commanders
not to take young boys (who do not have any facial hair) into their
private homes (alone and out of the sight of others), because the
homopede molestation going on over there is pretty rampant.
kids and hug them as a way of showing kindness to the kids and their
parents. We don't even think of them in a sexual way. Of course there's
pedophiles everywhere but that's different.
And yes many Talibs molest kids and harass them.
Funny how the propaganda is always much different than the reality, asIt happened before, and it will happen again and it's coming from a person
I doubt you will see gays being crushed by walls in Afghanistan
(unless they are being killed for other reasons).
who actually lives there so maybe talk less about what you don't actually
know?
For example, Iran is also held on a pedestal as being super-againstSex change is different with being gay. Iran punishes homosexuality by death
the gays, and yet they conduct more sex-change operations than any
nation on this earth (second only to Thailand).
penalty. Sex change is allowed under the sharia's laws while homosexuality
is a sin and will be punished by death, in Iran.
The only appropriate punishment for homopede in the Islamic hadiths,That is just one of them, not the only punishment. The rules of the religion
is that they must be "thrown from a high place."
in Iran and other Muslim countries are set by the religions'
leaders who are educated for that for many years, some of them even for more
than 50 years. They are those of people who set rules for current situations
in the communities.
Please don't spread false information.
--
Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com) Free culture activist and
privacy advocate
