Here is the E-Bay Photo of the H1a, VH model.
Jonathan
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Craig Talbot
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 4:00 PM
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Subject: [cpha] Re: T1a Selkirk boiler colour
Omer Lavalee's book says that in general if a locomotive had a (P)Russian Blue
boiler jacket it was maintained until it became rusty and unpresentable, then
it was painted black. Prussian blue is made by treating the steel with a
ferrocyanide compound, similar to what tool and dye makers use as a layout
dye.When mixed with oil it's called Engineers blue.
Lavalle implies that the practice of bluing a boiler jacket lasted until the
end of steam, but doesn't mention specific classes of locomotives. So it's
quite possible that the T1a's had blue boiler jackets when new. He also said
that in 1941 "opalescent gunmetal lacquer" was adopted instead of natural metal
finish as part of wartime austerity for newly built locomotives, as a painted
jacket was much easier to maintain than one that needed constant wiping with
oil to keep it rust free.
Craig
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 1:47 PM Jonathan McConathy <jothsue@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I was always under the impression that, as built, the T1a’s boilers were
painted with what Donald Bain (in one of the British Railway Modellers of North
America Books) described as ‘Russian Blue’. I’m looking for the reference. VH
models did a H1a/b no. 2805 (painted model with elephant ears) in what I think
was this ‘Russian Blue.’ A decidedly different color than the grey boilers we
are accustomed to. I have a somewhat decent downloaded builders photo of T1a
5919 that has a distinctly different boiler color than black.
Jonathan
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Jim Little
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 3:15 PM
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Subject: [cpha] Re: T1a Selkirk boiler colour
I agree with Rob on the boiler colour as to being uncertain whether painted or
planished steel for the boiler, but the boilers definitely were a different
colour than the domes and smokebox. However, I believe by the time of the
Royal Train (1939) the CPR was using paint rather than the planished steel.
The Jubilees were produced in 1936 and they had painted boiler jackets. (see
attached) You can see the lack of shininess that the planished steel would
have. It is my understanding that the planished steel jackets went out
sometime in the early 1930's, possibly during the depression.
Jim Little, MMR
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 11:57 AM Robert Kirkham <rdkirkham@xxxxxxx> wrote:
For clarification, is the question (and the answers) about gray paint on
boilers, or picking out the differences in appearance between planished (not
sure of spelling???) steel and black paint and smokebox colours?
Rob
On Feb 28, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Jim LIttle <jllittleguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry to differ with you Jeff, but I have a couple of photos of the T-1a's with
a grey boiler and the narrow skirted running boards. I also painted one last
year for a person in the CPR who wanted it painted as such as it was the assist
engine for the Royal Train (2850) through the mountains.
You can definitely see the difference in colour between the domes and the
boiler.
Jim Little, MMR
On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 11:30 AM Julian <nineveh612@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Awesome, thanks Jeff, that was exactly what I was looking for.
Cheers, Julian
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On Feb 28, 2021, at 10:32, Jeff Pinchbeck <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some Selkirks were painted and lettered for passenger service but they none
had grey painted boilers.
If the engine had wide side skirting they were painted and lettered for
passenger service with Tuscan red panels and gold leaf pin striping and
lettering.
Engines without were freight service and only had gold-yellow paint
lettering.
Jeff
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Of Julian
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:59 PM
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Subject: [cpha] T1a Selkirk boiler colour
Hi everyone,
I have been trying to determine whether non-streamlined T1as were ever
painted in the grey and maroon livery. My research has been inconclusive.
Thanks, Julian
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