Hmmm,
So Joe, you're suggesting that the Z denotes that the limits apply to one track
only? That's something I haven't considered.
I got some input from the rwy-ops list here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/message/70530
They were supporting the idea that yard limits extended between Taft and Three
Valley. But your information sounds pretty convincing. Do you know if the
cpsig has an example ETT I can look that shows the yard limits in the
instructions?
I'll take a closer look at the 1948 ETT.
Thanks for this.
Chuck Johnstone
--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "K V Railway" <kvrailway@...> wrote:
If you look at the pre-1951 rule book, the yard will only extend to the far
switch of the station affected by the yard limit sign.
'It make sense if limits extended from East Revelstoke up Eagle pass to the
west switch of Three Valley.' No, I disagree with this statement.
From what I understand from the old-timers this was not the case UNLESS IT
WAS SPECIFIED IN THE ETT FOOTNOTES.
My understanding is that in 1948, the Yard Limit at Taft (for example)
extended from the Yard Limit Board west of Taft to the
east switch at Taft and no further.
Put it this way, similar one-direction only yard limits were in place on KV
territory and I know for fact yard limits did not extend between stations
as Chuck speculates. There were cases where they did, but I reiterate, in
those instances, the ETT footnotes for the affected subdivision
clearly stated those instances.
After the new UCOR took effect in 1951, a number of provisions changed, such
as the designation of 'passing track.' Yard limits no longer carried the
direction-specific provisions in the ETT either.
Joe Smuin
-----Original Message-----
From: Suther-rail
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:40 AM
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [cpsig] Re: CPR Timetables and Yard Limits
I can't give a complete answer, but yard limits were defined in the field by
yard limit signs. Yard limits only applied within the limits defined by
those signs. The timetable indicates stations where "yard limits" exist but
the crews have to be familiar with the actual physical limits so their train
is under appropriate control as they approach the sign. In most situations
that would probably be not much more than a train length beyond the outer
switch at each station.
I can't confirm whether or not the position of the letter in the ETT has
your proposed meaning, although it does seem logical.
John
--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chuck Johnstone" <chuck.johnstone@> wrote:
A long while ago this note was posted:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cpsig/message/4906.
It explained the meaning of the letters on CPR timetables.
This raises a question in how the letters were used. Pacific region TT
(http://www.cptracks.ca/data/TimeTables_Employee/ETT_92_1948_Sep26.pdf)
It shows the following for the Shuswap Sub (I've only included the yard
limit letters):
Revelstoke Z
Clanwilliam
Z Three Valley
Taft Z
Craigellachie Z
Malakwa
Cambie
Solsqua
Z Sicamous Z
Annis
Mowitch
Canoe Z
Salmon Arm Z
etc.
I assume that a letter on the left side of a station name denotes limits
on the west side of a station and letters on the right side designate
limits on the east. I'm also assuming that if a letter is missing the
yard limit extends to the next station.
But if true there many problems. Sicamous works well with the station
entirely within yard limits but what about Revelstoke? It make sense if
limits extended from East Revelstoke up Eagle pass to the west switch of
Three Valley. Or maybe the limits extend from west switch Three Valley to
east switch Taft?
Does anyone know how the limit letters are paired up to form a west-east
interval?
Thanks
Chuck Johnstone
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