[cpha] Re: CPR Dominion questions

  • From: Craig Talbot <talbotc@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:54:34 -0700

I have the Assignment of Space circular effective April 26, 1959. For train 3-7 which is the Montreal/Toronto to Vancouver Dominion it specifies the cars. I'll list them in order of where they ran, car type and line number in the consist. First number in the car line number is the train, thus car 7XX was in train 7 (Montreal-Vancouver), car 3XX was in train 3 (Toronto-Sudbury)

Montreal- Vancouver: Park  700
Montreal - Vancouver: Chateau 701
Toronto- Vancouver: Manor 706
Toronto -Vancouver (June 11- Sept 30): 8-1-2 R sleeper 710
Montreal- Sudbury (last car May 25): Chateau  720
Monreal -Sudbury (first car May 26): 12-1 T sleeper 720
Ft William - Winnipeg: 12-1 T sleeper 730
Regina- Vancouver (June 24-Sept 20): 8-1-2 R 740
Regina-Vancouver (June 24- Sept 10: 13 sec tourist 745
Toronto-Vancouver: 14 sec tourist 750
Toronto-Winnipeg (May 31-June 11): 14 sec tourist 755
Toronto-Vancouver (June 12-Sept 30): 14 Sec tourist 755
Montreal -Winnipeg (June 24-Sept 27):  14 sec tourist 760
Montreal-Vancouver: 14 sec tourist 765
Montreal-Vancouver: Skyline 790
Toronto-Vancouver: Deluxe coach, 60 seats 796 ( this is a stainless car)
Toronto-Sudbury: Park 305
Toronto-Sudbury: 12-1 T sleeper 315
Toronto-Sudbury:  10-5 Grove sleeper 316
Toronto- Sault-Ste. Marie (last car May 25): Manor 319 (handled in train 427 Sudbury - S.S. Marie)
Toronto- Sault-Ste. Marie  (first car May 25): 8-1-2 R sleeper 319 (handled in train 427 Sudbury - S.S. Marie)
Toronto- Sault-Ste. Marie (except Saturday): 8 sec 4 DBR  V Series 320 (handled in train 427 Sudbury - S.S. Marie)
Montreal- Ottawa: Parlour car 70
Montreal- Vancouver: Deluxe Dining Car (this is stainless, but A Class diners were often used)

Extra _Standard_ sleeping cars when needed . Route and line number:
Montreal- Vancouver
     Streamlined: 702
    Conventional: 703, 704

Toronto-Vancouver:
    Streamlined:  707-709
    Conventional:711-714

Montreal-Winnipeg
    Streamlined:715, 716
    Conventional:717-719

Montreal-Sudbury:721-722 (either type)

Toronto-Winnipeg:
    Streamlined:723-725
    Conventional: 726-729

Ft William-Winnipeg: 732-734 (either type)

Winnipeg-Vancouver:
    Streamlined:736-737
    Conventional: 738-739

Regina-Vancouver: 741-742 (either type)

Calgary- Vancouver: 734, 744 (either type)

Extra _Tourist _sleeping cars when needed . Route and line number:

Montreal-Vacnouver: 766-769
Toronto-Vancouver: 751-754
Montreal-Winnipeg: 761-764
Toronto-Winnipeg: 756-759
Winnipeg-Vancouver:763, 764
Regina-Vancouver: 746-747
Calgary-Vancouver:748-749

Lots of switching enroute! No meal service on the Toronto-Sudbury section, but it also departed Toronto at 10:30 pm and arrived in Sudbury at 6:25 am, so likely little demand for food services.

So there was a Budd Park, Manor, Chateau, Skyline and dining car out of Montreal, with a coach in the Toronto section added at Sudbury. Also looks like a Park that does a Toronto-Sudbury loop, and a Manor in the Toronto section that is set out at Sudbury to continue to Sault. Ste. Marie.

Craig






pbsmith@xxxxxxxxx wrote:


Guys,

I have a few questions regarding the consist of the CPR "Dominion" passenger train.  I understand that after 1955 when the CPR "Canadian" train started, that in the summertime when the trains were busy, that the Dominion would have a Budd Skyline dome car and a Budd Park car added to the mostly heavyweight car consist.  Were there any other Budd cars typically seen on the Dominion?

Does anyone have some consists of this train in the 1955-1960 era or post 1960 that they would be willing to share?  Or any information on typical consists of this train.

Thank you in advance for any information.

Paul Smith
Winnipeg

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