İ guess this group is not aware of the constellation Ms SH where
Jumped up and down on a man saying that was what he deserved
And needed.
Happy this young woman's cranium is not cracked,
Then ribs were broken as i hear from witnesses!
Warm regards,
Bizden
On 19 Apr 2017, at 11:22, Joanna Malinowska joanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you, Christine,
I did not understand the words, I just saw the body language, the tone of the
voice and the action.
There is something I have to say, "TO VIOLATE THE HIERARCHY IS LEADING TO
DEATH". Yes, this is the case, especially in totalitarian regime. Many people
sacrificed their lives challenging hierarchy. Do we call them heroes?
Hierarchy has to be challenged when it goes wrong. Otherwise we would be like
a herd of sheep blindly following the main ram. This leads to death and
destruction, and even genocide.
I am not saying that against Bert or or to undermine his past greatness. I
honor him and his attribution to humanity. It just seems that his Soul is not
connected with his body and mind anymore. He is an old man now and a human,
like we all. We will all get old and we may lose this connection. What is
surprising that anybody still stayed inside the room... Somehow, we do behave
like a herd of sheep...
With Love
Joanna
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Christine Ruettimann
christine.sarena@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear ones
Watching this is also rather dirturbing to me. What comes to my mind is that
human conduct is ever unreliable. The way the "constellation" was
facilitated was full of ego and without any respect and sensitivity from
both Sophie and Bert.
for those who don't understand German or Russian I give the German
translation:
Sophie forces the young woman to say to her mother: "You are here the big
one". The daughter says to Sophie that she cannot say it, because she has so
many problems. Still Sophie tries to force her. After the daughter becomes
more irritated Sophie tries the same procedure with the mother. She orders
her to say to the daughter: "You are here the little one". She can't say it
either. Sophie says "You HAVE TO honour the hierarchy", then being
frustrated walkes away. Bert says "This was a good demonstration what it
means to violate the hierarchy (ranking system)." Then someone of the group
says something and Bert asks three times. "Who was talking here?". When he
sees the woman he says "Get out of the door!" Then he says to all: "We don't
tolerate it if someone arrogates to intervene here!"
Sitting down he says two times: "Now I made clear WHO is the big one here!"
Sophie says: "It's about life and death. TO VIOLATE THE HIERARCHY IS LEADING
TO DEATH". ....... (resulting in dead silence)
We all make mistakes. But in my opinion the attitude that was demonstrated
here is very harmful to the wonderful gift of constellation work.
Christine Rüttimann
Switzerland
"Joanna Malinowska joanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am 4:24 Mittwoch, 19.April 2017:
Dear Giselle,
Yes, I could not believe my eyes. The girl was hit with a microphone, and
quite hard. Yet what was happening before was also forced. It was visible
that mother and daughter were connected before Sophie was trying to force
some words on the daughter. The mother smiled, the daughter was chatting
with her. Then they became more and more rigid and disconnected. If there
was trauma there, then more trauma has been added. It was also brake of
trust, I wonder if this girl will be open to any therapy in the future.
This was not what Family Constellations is about as it was not love (and no
compassion), even no respect, and definitely nothing from the Knowing Field.
It was just acting from the power and superiority.
When it comes to the TRUTH, nobody holds it. The person can be hold by the
TRUTH when he or she is open to it. Then the TRUTH speaks through him / her.
We can call TRUTH different names, God, or Spirit or just Unconditional
Love, or Universe. Unfortunately, the individuals who are touch by TRUTH
quite offer become grandiose and take it for their personal greatness. And
this is how they loose connection with TRUTH. Or there are some other
reasons, sickness or old age, and they forget. The TRUTH stays and evolves,
and we can be always grateful to them for showing us the way, even if they
do not lead anymore.
Thank you fo sharing.
With LOve
Joanna
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:19 AM, 'Heather Embree'
heather@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for sharing this, Giselle. That is disturbing for me personally. I
have seen facilitators use physical contact with clients and it’s an act of
trying to put one in place of respecting the order with a notion of
punishment. For me, that scene is publically humiliating and shuts down the
younger person from her truth and feelings. There are real cases of parental
abuse that may not be addressed (I am only going by body language here as I
don’t understand German or Russian), and it an go to further silence someone
from the truth of the issues.
It’s not my style and rather for me the movement with any discord is helping
each person see the other’s humanity, personal violence and learn how to
self-care or self-protect in the face of it.
Thank you for sharing.
Heather
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:40 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Orders of love and trauma
Dear ones,
I have been wanting to connect with you about this for some months… Someone
sent me a video from Bert which I find quite disturbing. Since then, I have
mixed feelings... I would really appreciate you let me know your
feelings/thoughts about it.
We know the truth he - and Sophie - are holding and yet, in my heart, and as
a trauma therapist, I can’t accept this violence, which also seems
unnecessary. There is some kind of fundamentalism about the orders of love
that seems to be very disconnected. I really wonder about the effects this
has… I could say more, but I would really love if you could let me know what
your thoughts are… The video is in German and Russian… but if you can’t
understand the words, at least you can see the faces and the moment Sophie
hits a participant with the microphone, and, afterwards Bert sends out
someone who complains about this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hjp7Frr3QjQ
With love and gratitude,
Giselle
<http://www.interbeing.space>
www.interbeing.space
Giselle Charbonnier
+49 (0)163 834 1924
Bevernstr. 6, 10997, Berlin
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www.self-hypnosis.com.au
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