Hello Everyone,
A new issue for me.so far in my new work with clients in Arab countries. It
seems that from a SCW perspective we have a perpetrator/victim dynamic where a
murder is committed against women (mostly) with good conscience resulting from
loyalty to tribal consciousness. Witch trials and torture/murder were carried
out within a similar religio/cultural collective mindset. All perfectly legal.
Interesting topic for International Women's Day.
And, as a historian I know that honor killings (and revenge castrations) have
been carried out throughout history Perhaps you remember the story of
Eloise and Abelhard.
Perhaps we have a blind spot here, worth looking into.
Enough probably,
Anngwyn
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From: Tripty Hirani <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: constellationtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 8:12 pm
Subject: [constellationtalk] Re: Honor Killings ?
I would just like to share my understanding and experiencein this area and I
want to thank you Anngwyn for bringing it up! First of all, I would like to
clarify that the assumption oflinking honour killings with Islamic society is
incorrect. There is nowhere inthe Quran any evidence to suggest that killing
for honour is acceptable.Neither does the life of Prophet Mohammad indicate
that he engaged in thisbehaviour or encouraged it. Whilst honour killings have
occurred in some Muslimnations, it is not an Islamic value!Secondly, my
experience of witnessing this issue indirectly,by having grown up in a Muslim
nation is that honour killings were occasionallypracticed by the mountain
tribes in my country as part of their tribal law. Andthat this allowed the
honour of the families involved to be restored. Simplyput, Death was preferable
to living a life of Shame. We see this in the Samuraitradition of Japan with
the concept of Hara Kiri and the Sati tradition in Hinduism, which hasnow been
banned. To my understanding: honour killings came about to preservethe honour
of families. Therefore, it is a social and cultural issue, not areligious one.
I hope that the few words I share add to understanding of this issue.
Regards
Tripty
"An agitated mind makes it difficult to seeLet the mind settle and all will be
clear."
On 9 Mar 2021, at 12:55 pm, Anngwyn (Redacted sender "anngwyn" for DMARC)
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Arizona,
Maybe the first step is to raise awareness. of this widespread issue. At this
point, I am quite aware and not in need of more documentations, although I
understand that for others this may be a blind spot.
What I am asking is if anyone has actually had clinical experience with SCW and
Honor Killings ?
Given Bert's teachings, I can speculate about as to what the systemic
consequences of this perpetrator victim, dynamic may be, but that is all it
would be.
Regards,
Anngwyn
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From: Eimear O'Neill <eimearsemail@xxxxxxxxx>
To: constellationtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 5:05 pm
Subject: [constellationtalk] Re: Honor Killings ?
I attach an interesting article from Chitra Lakhera on 'honor" killings in
India and the larger systems in which these are embedded.WarmlyEimear
Eimear O'Neill, PhD https://www.eimearoneill.com/Eimear_ONeill/Home.html
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 15:01, Anngwyn <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Arizona,
Does anyone have experience with the impact of Honor Killings in Islamic and
other family systems?
Warm Regards,
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D.Director: Arizona Center for Social Trauma.Sedona,AZ. USA
