Dearest Barbara.so nice to hear from you.remember our "silent" constellation at
"Connecting fields" with gratitude, always.and how you had increased my
awareness of my trauma by only saying "deeply traumatized prefer silence"...
being "deeply traumatized" by constant physical abuse by birthgiver from very
young age of months old,and being born though in-marriage, from a 17 year old
"birth-giver ("Mum") raped by her 32 year old husband, "sperm-giver ("dad") and
having experienced an insest attempt from bro myself, although i understandyour
concerns from brain perspective, having a 30 year old Neuroscientist son and an
MD with 31 years of experience I can reassure you that:-"left and right"
distinguishment of the brain was for didactic purposes when we knew too little
about the brain-they are in connection much more than we once believed and what
is in one seems to exist in the other as well, it seemsnevertheless,-we have to
make sure what the purpose of the "intention" is, as far as I understand from 3
years of being a "seeker" at the so-called " first international training" of
the constellation Franz"s way as I experienced being interpreted by Viv(ian
Broughton) and Tore Kval, adding their own perspectives at gadbjerg, Denmark,
and advanced international multigenerational psychotraumatology training at
Martha Thomsen s by Franz Ruppert, simultaneously, the intention serves to keep
the "seeker" from "re-traumatization" which Franz claims that happens at F and
or SC and I did experience it , many times, not only at SC by a Bert trained
fascilitator in Istanbul, but also in the fascilitation of a "not so much
worked on oneself" person in Constellation of the intention.so, I would propose
that we concentrate on "re traumatization" more than other details of principle
and method and who does what, since now, 15 years after his loss in 01.01.01,
and working on myself for ten years with FC SC and 3 years with Coİ,and the
fascilitator talking openly to me about what happened at his last day with her,
before she left due to her metastatic breast cancer, I believe I lost my
brother to suicide at 38, the day after the constellation since suicide, as FR
puts it, is the last, to me ultimate, survival strategy...and it followed a
deep retraumatization in his unfortunate case...
and I would like to thank Claire here again, for emphasizing the importance of
the fascilitators protecting themselves(at the Healthy Autonomy Congress WS in
Oct 2012), and being seekers in support groups of fascilitators, whichever
method, the different methods together much better to my belief.
the fascilitator close friend lady in istanbul, strongly believed that she had
breast cancer after the pain of my brother s death, they were the closest
friends since the first day of university ie. for 21 years when the incident
happened...and I did see it develop and get worse in front of my eyes as she
did not work on her previous traumas and the guilt of the one thru my brother
on top of all...she had also lost her sister to suicide a few years earlier
very entangled bonding system traumas indeed...
apologies for the long rather complicated postthanks a lot for readingopen to
Qshugs with lovesevgiyle kucaklarım- in Turkishbizden canan
On Monday, April 20, 2015 9:21 AM, "Barbara Morgan
theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Those of you who read Sarah Peyton's Bernried talk in issue 25 of the
Knowing Field and her interview in issue 24 or who know the work if Daniel
Siegel, will see that trauma is experienced via our right brain and our body
and a statement of intent would need to come from our left brain. I therefore
agree with what Anngwyn is saying. If this person was abandoned by her mother
for two years that's likely to be a major trauma but you would need to be able
to come alongside the client and feel into that experience with her. How
dissociated is she? The way out of trauma is the same as the way it entered,
via the body, through the visceral expression of rage, terror and grief and if
you haven't been to those places personally yourself it is likely to be very
difficult for you as a facilitator to accompany her there. In addition to Sarah
and Daniel Siegel, the work of Peter Levine makes useful reading on this topic.
Best wishes Barbara
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Jul 2014, at 10:42, "anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Zurich, Many traumatized people are initially unable to
clearly formulate their intention in any linear verbal or other , so called
rational context..does this mean we should not agree to work with them because
they are unable clearly articulate their "intention" ? In a cross cultural
reality it does not seem either reasonable nor kind to insist that all
traumatized people who are suffering here in our world, and in serious need of
help , conform to some Eurocentric psychological model of initial
presentation...of clearly stated ... "intent". Warm Regards Anngwyn St. Just
Ph.D.www.acst-international .comhttp://anngwyn.wisrville.org In a message ;
dated 07/07/14 12:49:08 US Mountain Standard Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
What is the client's formulated intent?
best regards
Heiki Eesmaa
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:03 PM, daniela.terrile@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear allI have a question on a mother issue, and I ask your kind advice on
how to better treat my client My client (woman) has spent the first 2 years of
her childhood far from mammy (in Iran) because mother wanted to finish studies
and had no time for her. Family (mother and father and daughter were living in
Belgium (Europe) This was an accidental birth and the mother decided (against
the wish of her husband) to send the child back to Iran to her grand parents
Once back to Belgian (where the family used to live) the child had a normal
life, 2 more sisters in the family were born. At the age of 12 mother started
to become depressive and the young girl was involved in the family life
(helping 2 sisters, preparing cooking and managing the house). At the age of 16
mother told the child that she had 'fun' with her father, like they were in a
couple, and the mother was very allusive to the fact that the young daughter
was the new 'partner' of her husband and that she had stolen her place (as if
she was his wife)This was not true of course, and my client was responsible and
felt obliged to take care of the 2 sisters and of the house because she was the
elder The couple split and got divorce sooner afterFather came back to Iran,
and daughter is now married (26) to a young Iranian man: both are happily
living in BXL. Daughter has a wonderful relationship with her father and once a
year she is going to visit him in Iran We have done 1 constellation in a group,
and it was clear that relationship between daughter and mother is not good. My
client is hating her mother, and she cannot bear her life's style. She is
screaming all the time, yelling to her and they have nothing in common. How to
start the reconciliation movement? How to feel where the energy is?Can you pls
advice?Thank youDaniela Daniela.terrile@xxxxxxxxx
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