Kathy referred to an issue being missing from the archives on The Knowing
Field website. I would just like to inform everyone that this was an admin
error and the issue in question has now been restored to its rightful
place! You can view all the archived journals online with an archive
subscription.
Warmly
Barbara
On 26 April 2017 at 09:07, Kathy Curran kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is in response to Rosalba's question about a possible outcome for
this conversation, or, to use my words, where are we going with it. I,
too, am involved with nasc this fall - on the program committee - and so as
Harrison says, have been trying to look at social or societal issues, given
the theme of the conference.
I don't know if I have a suggestion for an outcome; however, I do have a
frame or two to suggest, given what we have already discussed. I am
thinking of Jan Jacob Stam's model of doing societal constellations - the
first constellation is just to see what's there in the field. (This was
published in the Knowing Field as an interview with Diana Claire Douglas in
the only issue in the last couple of years that is not in the archives.
Perhaps if any are interested, they could contact Barbara Morgan about
it.). Once germane issues have been surfaced, the knowledge is harvested
and decisions made from there about how/where to explore further.
We are not doing a constellation here; however, we are hearing voices from
many parts of the field, enumerating many dimensions of whatever has been
enlivened by the viewing of the original video. From my perspective of
being fairly new, this is the first time I have heard more fully the root
cause of the split I have heard about and seen echoed in the history and
'lore' of constellations as it has been handed down to me. Bert, Sophie,
Bert 'thrown out of Germany', the Potsdam declaration, the formation of
ISCA following this, is it now time to mature, etc. It's finally and/or
for the first time at least in a long while, gathered in one place.
Harrison suggests we look at it from an organizational perspective and see
a polarized conflict with 'divine power' and 'echoes of Nazism' at either
end. I will say that I see more perspectives than only polarization in our
conversation, which I think speaks to the health of this movement, yet in
my learning, and perhaps in these threads I do see something of perhaps two
camps - those who have followed Bert since then, and those who have
followed his 'sons', Gunthard Weber, Hunter Beaumont, etc. I hesitate to
name these as 'camps' because that could possibly crystallize a
polarization further if it's there, but I decided to go ahead; if it's not
apt, it wont' resonate!
What struck me about Harrison's characterization was to look at our
movement as an organization with these two camps coming from a deep wound.
I have heretofore just accepted that there was a betrayal (in some people's
minds) and that I should just accept it and move on - no way to heal it;
healing is not necessary - it's OK the way it is. However, now I note in
myself my own reactions and projections, as Harrison suggests we might do.
I note how I want to distance myself from the people who write in this
thread that seem to be on 'the other side'. We are 'good'; they are 'bad'.
We have the truth, they are deluded. Etc. At some level, given the 'side'
I'm on, I both learn from and exclude Bert.
So, if I extend the boundary of this organization to include him in it,
then it is the founder who also wounded. The father as perpetrator. Ahh,
in calling him the father, am I projecting? How would we look at this
deep wound if we included him in, rather than semi-excluding - again I'm
speaking from my side; the side that follows the sons, not the father. What
is the next movement if we look at ourselves as an organization that has
become divided by a wounding, and include the wounded in it? What is our
next step/movement in healing?
I do not know the answer to this, yet I think just the surfacing of all of
these perspectives has a huge impact in itself. Now we more clearly see
the 'image' of our organization's . . . Soul? At its current state?
I feel that I've been rather bold in taking a turn at naming some dynamics
I see. There is always, as I alluded to above, the danger that my naming
something one can push it farther in a certain direction. However, again,
I decided to take the risk because a) I couldn't sleep tonight because this
was burning in my mind ;-) , and 2) I decided that if it didn't resonate
with others it would just become one more post in the thread and we would
continue to move on beyond it.
Thanks for listening.
Katherine Curran
MN Center for Systemic Constellations
Kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:24 AM, Joanna Malinowska
joanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@
yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Rolsalba and Everybody,
I am also not aware of the code of ethics for Family Constellations
practitioners, or any other rules, and as far as I know this is how our
community chooses to be, to stay open. I also understand that as therapists
or members of our bodies, or by our humanity in particular, not to mention
the spiritual wisdom, we are bound by the most important and basic code of
ethics, which may differ for everybody depending of our personal growth,
from at least empathy and basic acceptance through total compassion, trust
and freedom from judging. Yet total compassion, or we can call it perhaps
unconditional Love, and it is like being One with the universe is is the
kind of power which does not need pushing or strong words, or pocking
people on the head, or forcing your authority over others, because you are
are one with them anyway...
Yet let us say that from the human perspective we need some rules and
codes. This is the role of professional associations. We are bound by those
rules and it is quite obvious that at least violence is excluded, the same
way as any other forms of abuse or exploitation. Would we need to do the
same for Systemic Constellation work? That would be a point for discussion
at the association level. Definitely, something to discuss at ISCA etc.
Then the members are bound by those ethics, and it is clear to the public
what the ethics are. They woul be visible, published on the website. Then
if somebody chooses to work with facilitators who are not in the
association, so they are not bound by those ethics or they feel above them,
that's their choice. Hopefully, they will be aware of that, and it may
work for them. If they strongly believe that somebody is like a God, beyond
any human measure, then their own belief and trust will heal them,
regardless of what is done in Constellation.
I find this discussion very helpful, thank you to everybody who stated
their opinion. The diversity and the possibility of being enlightened with
different point of view and being able to understand how it is possible to
hold completely different opinions and perceptions on the same event has
the high value in itself. Does it divide? It seems that most of us are open
to express our own interpretations and ideas. This is how the Knowing Field
or Universe works - nothing is excluded, everything belongs, even
opposites, and nothing is true or false, everything is. Diversity, but not
division, this is the way I see it.
I am very happy and grateful to listen and hear any other opinions and
voices, and I am very happy to suspend my own ideas when I read it. Yet it
is not going to change my own heart felt knowledge that violence and
pushing, and forcing the authority is not necessary and it does not work.
How it would work if the Constellation was done through love and
compassion? Who knows? Was it a Miracle that the two women came to the
seminar or perhaps they already felt better? Did they really recover - they
still need to go to the hospital once a year? And if they became better,
was it because they had the guts to stand up for themselves and to refuse
the authority when it was against their truth? Who knows?
Yet there is another aspect. The danger to humanity to allow the way of
thinking that we can or should cause pain or harm to individuals for a
"common good". To believe that any of us can be excused from the
responsibility for our own words and actions because "God works through us"
or "the future generations will benefit". Unfortunately, the humanity is
never free from this way of thinking, and it always brings demons back, as
it blinds us and it justifies wars and genocides.
With Regards
Joanna
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, bizden titiz bizdentitiz@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, Rosalba,
Does this community have a written "Code of Ethics"?
İ d presume that could be revised and if not available
Perhaps a proposal could be established at or after NASC?
Warm regards,
Bizden
On 25 Apr 2017, at 18:51, ROSALBA STOCCO rstocco@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes a great conversation, and it begs the question: what do we want to
achieve as a result of this conversation?
we all have a different view about what happened in the clip.
we all have a different view as to how appropriate the actions of the
“actors” are.
the divide in the community is obvious in the postings
there is a deep desire to follow the “natural orders”
there is a deep desire to be inclusive
I personally would like to see something more as an outcome of these
conversations.
I would like to see some discussion on what we want to achieve…
further clarification and discussion of what in particular?
the history of the SCW community?
what is permissible and what is not?
how do we know the interpretation of the field is accurate?
etc.
When I read the postings, I am left feeling as if there is still
something unsaid, and so I went inwards to see what I would like to hear….
Yes, this conversation can be held at the NASC or the ISCA conference by
those who are interested….and then what?
Personally I would like to see a structure or process in place where
these type of conversations can be held and some sort of resolution found,
even if temporary.
*Rosalba*
rstocco@xxxxxxxxxx
rosalbastocco.com
Rosalba Stocco, MSW, RSW
EMDR, SE, Systemic Constellations
Board Member, North American Systemic Constellations (NASC)
“Creating educational conferences, events and activities that expand the
understanding of Systemic Constellations.”
Connect@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <Connect@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
NASConstellations.org <http://nasconstellations.org>
*World Peace begins with me and you. *
On Apr 25, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Harrison Snow teambuilder@xxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
What an amazing conversation. I think it would be useful to reflect on
how easy/quick it is to
go into "absolutist thinking" and label someone a brutal Nazi or a cosmic
Avitar - based on the same
piece of data (the clip of the clipping). The two labels are such
extreme polar opposites yet they are applied with such conviction,
certainty, and sincerity.
There has to be a better way to hold and be present with this and each
other, even if we have to be in the space of not knowing and uncertainty.
This says to me - the wounding is deeper and more universal than the
incident that is being debated.
It could be the projections and judgments being launched arise from the
silos of historical baggage and collective trauma. The theme of the
North American Systemic Constellation Conference this October is "bridging
the divide." One of the tracks at the conference will be to explore social
justice and its relationship to collective trauma. Hopefully, we will gain
more self and social awareness around this issue of polarization and
projection and how it plays out in society and in us individually.
Thanks for listening, Harrison Snow http://www.nasconstellations.org/
<http://www.nasconstellations.org/>
North American Systemic Constellations - 2017 Conference ...
<http://www.nasconstellations.org/>
www.nasconstellations.org
North American Systemic Constellations, (NASC) next conference is Oct
5-8, 2017 in Virginia, Beach, VA. NASC creates educational conferences,
events and activities ...
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[ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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*Subject:* RE: [ConstellationTalk] context of the Russian workshop
Thank you, Dan,
Although it has been a few years since I have written into this forum,
along with my brother, Dan, who just shared this poignant history, I am one
of the first generation of American practitioners trained in systemic work
by Hellinger and his leading European teachers. Having practiced this work
until 2008, I was drafted to serve the larger field of the collective
unfoldment of history on behalf of current and future generations as a
reporter and messenger about protecting health, food, the environment, and
democratic forms.
This work was deeply influenced by the systemic perspective of my
immersion in constellation work.
As such, I don't perceive the soul as an abstract formless substance
descending from outer space but as an evolution experienced, embodied and
evolved (or devolved) within families as influenced by and influencing
social and political systems. While it is essential to reflect on the
parameters and ethics of the mental health profession, it is wise not to
dissociate that reflection from the long term movements of history and
society as Dan so eloquently documents.
Writing from within the U.S. and looking at trends in current affairs
globally, it is no longer enough to serve an individual or a family field
abstracted from the trends in the world right now which will in large
measure serve to determine the survival of humans on earth. If people doing
this work lay claim to a systemic perspective than it's time to closely
examine how the ethics, values, and activities embedded in this (and all)
human endeavors align with long term historic trends and patterns as they
manifest today. In addition to looking at families, we also need to see
this moment of history— because like it or not each one of us is aligned
with the evolution or devolution of society and the corresponding
aftermaths. Dan has done a superb job of defining the historic precedents
for what constellators are being invited to condone. In the light of
history, with whom do each of us choose to stand in determining the
directions of societies who will determine the fate of all humans on earth?
Alison
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From: "'Dan Booth Cohen, PhD' danboothcohen@xxxxxxxxx [
ConstellationTalk]"
Sent: Apr 25, 2017 1:35 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] context of the Russian workshop
Hello All –
For me, the beneficial outcome of the session with mother and daughter is
one consideration. What matters more is whether a violent blow to the head
of a mentally ill woman is acceptable in a therapeutic setting and whether
as Constellation facilitators we endorse a trainer who freely uses violence
against clients.
Violence, especially violence to the head and brains of women diagnosed
with madness or insanity has a long, brutal history in European and
American medical treatment. The insane asylums of Europe were literally
torture chambers where captives were chained, beaten and bled. For
centuries in Catholic Europe, women who practiced pre-Christian spiritual
traditions or knew the wisdom of plant medicine were branded crazy or
called witches and burnt at the stake or drowned.
Tens of thousands of indigenous European women were slain under the
auspices of the Roman Church under the banner, “Violation/Infringement of
the Hierarchy Leads to Death.” The Eugenics movement, which was grounded in
the philosophy of social Darwinism, was birthed by medical professionals
working in hospitals for the insane. Eugenics promoted long-term
incarceration and sterilization of the mentally ill. It found its peak
expression in Nazi Germany where an estimated 275,000 mentally and
physically disabled were murdered. Thousands more were used as forced
subjects in tortuous research experiments. The Soviet Union employed brain
destroying psychiatric treatments against political dissidents in Gulag
psychiatric hospitals. The brains of the mentally ill have been wounded and
destroyed in successive generations of “best treatments” since the
inception of modern psychiatry. After physical beatings ceased, new
treatments included insulin shock therapy, electric shock, lobotomy,
neuroleptics (also known as chemical lobotomy) and the latest versions of
atypical antipsychotics treated patients by damaging their brains.
In 2004, the German Association of Systemic Constellations (DGfS) made a
formal statement distancing its membership from the Hellingers. In 2008,
the Board of Directors of ISCA (the International Systemic Constellations
Association) publicly separated from Bert Hellinger in an open letter. In
2009, the Statement of Jewish Constellation Facilitators documented Sophie
Hellinger’s use of the Nazi salute in front of a forum organized by a
Jewish Constellator. The statement said, “With this action, we believe a
boundary was crossed that should never be crossed.”
“Sophie – is in contact with the Great Power. Cosmic power. And we cannot
judge this work from old knowledge or ordinary ideas. In contact with
Cosmic power it becomes clear. Constellation is a surgical operation on the
soul. Operation is an operation. Such as it is. And the scalpel cannot be
asked to be ‘softer.’”
Most English readers may not recognize how this quote corresponds to the
spiritual beliefs documented in Robert J. Lifton’s “Nazi Doctors.” The
excision of Jews, homosexuals, the mentally ill and others from the body of
the German fatherland was justified as a surgical operation in the cosmic
struggle for Aryan health. Nazi genocidal projects frequently referenced
cosmic spiritual laws to establish their psychological justifications.
According to Albert Speer, the Fuhrer himself transcended the ordinary
boundaries of human awareness and instead spoke the will of a great power,
the cosmic law. Lifton describes Speer’s response to hearing Hitler speak
in 1930: “Now Hitler appeared with the simple message that all could be
changed. Germany could be great again….Speer was moved to the point of
rapture. In an altered state of consciousness, he was in an ecstatic state
of feeling outside oneself and swept up by a larger force that could
connect with cosmic spiritual principles.”
I write this from within my conscience as a Jewish American. Violence
against the mentally ill and evoking Nazi spiritual philosophy violates
this conscience. Each one us can watch that video and read the context and
respond in accordance to our own conscience.
Dan
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*Subject:* Re: [ConstellationTalk] context of the Russian workshop
Hello Elena,
I just received the text, in Russian and English:
VIOLATION/INFRINGEMENT OF THE HIERARCHY LEADS TO DEATH.
SOPHIE HELLINGER
Seminar of Bert and Sophie Hellinger in Moscow.
The first wife of my husband and their daughter did not leave the house
for a year.
Afflicted by witchcraft (Bert Hellinger calls it "bad thoughts"), there
was also the influence of special services (surveillance, audition). And
two healthy, wonderful women, mother and daughter stopped leaving the
house. And six months before the seminar, they refused to eat and
brought themselves to dystrophy…
I was at a seminar and I felt that Bert can help.
This was Sophie's first visit to Russia, and I did not know how she works.
I already knew Bert's work.
And I asked: "Bert, can I bring mother and daughter to the seminar, who
is diagnosed with schizophrenia?" Bert felt deep inside him and said:
"Yes, you can bring them to the seminar."
My husband did not believe that constellation could help, and that his
wife and daughter would agree to leave the house. They did not accept
the help of doctors, refused to talk to them, and did not want to leave
the house more than 1 year.
And I asked him: "Let's try! We'll just arrive in the morning and take
them to the seminar. And if they do not agree, we will not take them ... "
And my husband agreed.
Since mother and Daughter were categorically against doctors,
psychologists, psychotherapists (traumas of being in the hospital), we
just said, that a philosopher from Germany can try to help.
It's a miracle, that when we arrived, mother and daughter were already
dressed and ready to go. They did not ask a single question. It was like
some greater power behind it.
And the constellation was conducted by Sophie Hellinger.
My husband was born in the GULAG, a family of exiled Moldovans. And his
first wife from the family of the head of the Magadan camps. In one
family, prisoners and guards joined.
In constellation, my husband was sitting with his father (grandfather's
daughter), who survived the GULAG, in the circles of countless dead.
There were so many of them, dead in the GULAG and belonging to the
field, that all of us, participants, gave our shoes - the
represesentatives of the dead.
Mother was drawn to the dead.
Daughter held mother's hand.
In constellation, Sophie slowly, very slowly brought mother and
daughter out of the field of the dead to the field of life. And she led
them to a representative of life.
Then, she requested daughter to say to her mother : «You are big. Here,
you are big».
Mother smiled for the first time. But the daughter could not say this.
And started to talk, to talk ...
Then Sophie knocked her by microphone on her forehead.
But it did not help either.
Violation of the hierarchy.
Love that leads to death.
And mother could not say to her daughter: «You are small here».
Constellation showed real dynamic. Very clear.
Even that in the beginning it looked like daughter wanted to help to
mother…
After the seminar, both mother and daughter began to leave the house.
Socially adapted.
Every six months they are in a psychiatric hospital. This helps a little.
Mother and daughter are alive.
"Hard" work of Sophie Hellinger, caused later a great discussion.
Is it possible to work this way?
When it comes to life and death, you can work only like this.
I watched Sophie's same great work at another, a children's seminar in
Bad Reichenhall.
Sophie said to mother: "You are killing your child!" And the
constellation showed it. Murder from deep love.
And my friend, a children's therapist, left the seminar room with her
son, and later told me that "Sophie is working hard. So it is impossible!
"
I answered:" Tomorrow the child will die. It is only one chance now to
stop the mother to kill her child".
Sophie – is in contact with the Great Power. Cosmic power. And we can
not judge this work from old knowledge or ordinary ideas. In contact
with Cosmic power it becomes clear. Constellation is a surgical
operation on the soul.
Operation is an operation. Such as it is. And the scalpel can not be
asked to be "softer".
It can cost someone a life.
Olga Baranova
НАРУШЕНИЕ ИЕРАРХИИ ВЕДЕТ К СМЕРТИ.
СОФИ ХЕЛЛИНГЕР
Семинар Берта и Софи Хеллингер в Москве.
Первая жена моего мужа и их дочь год не выходили из дома.
Повлияло колдовство (Берт Хеллингер называет это «плохие мысли»), также
было влияние спецслужб (слежка, прослушивание). И две здоровые женщины,
мама и дочка перестали выходить из дома. А за полгода до семинара
отказались принимать пищу и довели себя до дистрофии.
Я была на семинаре и почувствовала, что Берт может помочь. Это был
первый визит Софи в Россию, и я не знала как она работает. С работой
Берта я уже была знакома.
И я спросила: «Берт, можно привезти на семинар маму и дочку, которым
ставят диагноз шизофрения?» Берт вчувствовался в себя и произнес: «Да,
им можно помочь».
Мой муж не верил, что можно помочь и что жена и дочь согласятся выйти из
дома. Они не принимали помощь врачей, отказывались с ними разговаривать,
и не хотели выходить из дома.
И я попросила его: «Давай попробуем! Мы просто приедем утром и отвезем
их на семинар. А если они не согласятся – не отвезем…» И мой муж
согласился.
Так как мама и дочка были категорически против врачей, психологов,
психотерапевтов (травмы нахождения в больнице), мы просто сказали, что
философ из Германии может попробовать помочь.
Чудо, что когда мы приехали, мама и дочка уже были одеты, и готовы
ехать. Они не задали ни одного вопроса.
И расстановку проводила Софи Хеллингер.
Мой муж родился в ГУЛАГЕ, в семье ссыльных молдаван. А его первая жена
из семьи начальника магаданских лагерей. В одной семье соединились
заключенные и надзиратели.
В расстановке отец сидел со своим отцом (дедушкой дочери), который
пережил ГУЛАГ, в кругах бесчисленных мертвых. Их было так много, умерших
в ГУЛАГЕ и принадлежавших полю, что мы все, участники, отдали нашу
обувь – заместителей мертвых. Столько мертвых просто не поместились бы
на сцене.
Мать тянуло к мертвым. А дочь держала мать за руку.
И в расстановке, Софи вывела мать и дочь из поля мертвых в поле жизни.
И привела их к заместителю жизни.
А потом она попросила дочь сказать, что мама большая, а она маленькая.
И мама впервые улыбнулась. Но дочь не смогла этого сказать.
И начала заговариваться…
Тогда Софи стукнула ее микрофоном по лбу.
Но и это не помогло.
Нарушение иерархии.
Любовь, которая ведет к смерти.
И мама не смогла сказать дочери: ты здесь маленькая.
После семинара и мать и дочь стали выходить из дома. Социально
адаптировались.
Каждые полгода они лежат в психиатрической больнице. Это мало помогает.
Мама и дочь живы.
«Жесткая» работа Софи Хеллингер, вызвала позже большую дискуссию. Можно
ли так работать? Когда речь идет о жизни и смерти, работать можно только
так.
Я наблюдала такую же работу Софи на другом, детском семинаре в Бад
Райхенхалль.
Софи сказала маме: «Ты убиваешь своего ребенка!» И расстановка это
показала. Убийство из глубокой любви.
И моя приятельница, детский терапевт, вышла из зала со своим сыном и
позже сказала мне, что «Софи жестко работает. Так нельзя!» А я ответила:
«Завтра ребенок умрет». Софи – в контакте с Великой силой. СCosmic
power. И мы не можем судить об этой работе исходя из старых знаний или
обыденных представлений. В контакте с Cosmic power становится ясно.
Расстановка – это хирургическая операция на душе. Операция – это
операция. Такая, как она есть. И скальпель нельзя попросить быть
«помягче». Это может стоить кому-то жизни.
Am 22.04.2017 um 20:13 schrieb Elena Veselago e.veselago@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]:
<e.veselago@xxxxxxxxx>>
Dear Maria,
My name is Elena Veselago, I am constellation facilitator and trainer
from Moscow, and I participated at the workshop where Sophie and Bert
did this "shocking" constellation.
Yes, it was breaking the general ethics and rules, but somewhere deep in
my soul I felt this is true.
Could you connect me and your Russian friend, please? The recording of
this constellation is like a "horror movie" in Russia and it is
important for the professional community to know the result of the
constellation.
Warmly,
Elena
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2017-04-22 20:43 GMT+03:00 Maria Bürger-de Castillo mkbdc@xxxxxx
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Hello Everyone,
just when I finished the anterior mail , I received a call by my
Russian
friend. She will write the complete history of this family and the
constellation and I will send it to you.
Here only a short summery:
The clients were the former wife and the daughter of my friend's
ex-husband. Both, mother and daughter, were mentally ill,so my friend
asked Bert if he could work with them. Both had not left the house for
one year.
Next day, there was a big constellation . Some time after the
constellation, there was the intervention we see in the film. After
this
day, mother and daughter began to be better. This work has had a very
good effect.
The rest and details in some days. The public were Russian therapists.
Best wishes
Maria
PS.
This former husband of my friend had sent this text to the Bert
Hellinger 85th Birthday Commemorative:
Verity and Justice
Bert Hellinger is Verity and Justice. Being a Christian he developed an
understanding of the Truth – acceptance of everything happening in
life
with Gratitude to the Creator.
He doesn’t criticise as nobody else. He never judges. All the more he
doesn’t try to make requital. He sees life as the greatest creation of
God and accepts it with Gratitude.
He explains events in the Present believing that their place is in the
Past. Present is evinced Past, the result of actions that did or did
not
take place in the Past.
Bert’s genius constellations prove two truths – God is and energy of
the
past lives never disappears, it is “written” in information field of
the Earth, can be read and forms the Future.
Bert Hellinger is not an idiologist and religious mystic. He faces the
Truth and is not weary to say aloud what he sees and understands. He
doesn’t have stereotypes about life. He is objective and honest with
himself. He is one of the discoverers who can see and understand things
as they are not as he wants to or it seems to him.
Bert Hellinger reads the Past as if he doesn’t have the past, the
experience that would tell him how things should or must be. He is like
a child looking at the world with astonishment and gratitude and he is
not horrified, not scared, he doesn’t moralize. Purity and Love is his
starting point of perception of life and dialogue with the world.
He is a great Thinker. He thinks as God would think. It is no mere
chance that one of his books is called “With God in Mind”. He is one of
a few people in the world who love this world with endless joy, the
world that was created by God and where there is God.
We have interest to his books because first of all there is a dialogue
with God and love to God in them. He realized long ago that pain and
misery is nothing but way to cleanup and enlightenment and that God is
just and endlessly merciful. All happening on the Earth is being born
from Truth and Love. Babies are born in blood and pain and we realise
that it is the most beautiful moment in life and Bert appreciates this
beauty of creation. And he brings us the light of this great Truth. The
light of Gratitude.
And as I am reading in this book now, I add another text:
Peter A. Levine, Boulder, CO, USA
Hellinger tribute
At this time of his 85th birthday, I reflect back on meeting this
remarkable man. I first met Bert Hellinger when he invited me to
present
at his conference in Wurzburg, Germany. At that time we had a brief
encounter. We discovered that we had a number of students who were
studying with both of us. He had wanted to learn more about my approach
and what I was teaching. So some time later, he sent word that he
wanted
to observe one of my trainings. Bert arrived for my advanced level
Somatic Experiencing trauma training in Switzerland. I wondered what he
could possibly comprehend without the background of the previous
courses. However, during that time I had the uncanny experience of him
observing me teaching. It became clear that he was taking in much more
than the content of what I was presenting; he was observing its
essence,
and seeing into my soul. I was deeply touched by this. And when I did a
demonstration, he seemed to be tracking it at a profoundly deep level.
During the time of the class in Weggis, we shared many of our meals.
During those memorable encounters, I got to experience both the
pioneering brilliance of this extraordinary man as well as his
compelling quality of innocent curiosity. I was of course honored that
he had the interest in what I was doing and so grateful to learn from
his profound simplicity. What became clear was the vast wisdom of this
man and our varied but shared conception that deep healing does not
come
from the retelling and rehashing of an individual’s “story” but from
universal archetypes operating through the ether of ancestral memory.
Most compelling about meeting Bert was his passion and tenacity to
go to
the root of a solution, to take the journey of the soul. The I Ching
(the Chinese book of changes) says:
“We must go down to the very foundations of life. For any merely
superficial ordering of life that leaves its deepest needs unsatisfied
is as ineffectual as if no attempt at order had ever been made.”
Bert Hellinger’s commitment to this principle is unwavering. He is a
seeker of truth and of the journey of the soul as it lives through us.
Thank you Bert.
Am 22.04.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Maria Bürger-de Castillo mkbdc@xxxxxx
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Hello Everyone,
Your question concerning the Potsdam Declaration makes me answer
again,"and what has become of it since then? That is, do people invoke
this regularly? Was it put aside? Has it become a code of conduct? "
The Potsdam Declaration and other critical attacs of Bert
treated in the book "Die Entwicklung des Familienstellens nach Bert(S.88ff) .The
Hellinger: Über Psychotherapie hinaus " by Thomas Gehrmann
author`s main theses is that many persons don`t understand thatSpain and
Hellinger's family constellations and psychotherapie are two different
fields.
One consequence of this "battle" was that Bert took the way to
Latin America after having been excluded by German constellators.Hellinger that
Since 1999 I found the critic of persons who didn't leave
they are "caught in a cult , that they are blindly following a reveredGerman
and feared leader". The first one was Hans Jellouschek who did not
accept that Bert commented the presence of a dead person in the
constellation. I don't follow Hellinger as a revered and feared leader
but as a source of love, inconditional love, and in the comunity of
Spanish speaking constellators I feel at home. Compared with the
Scene I only know, they are so full of respect and love.básicos de
Someone here asked for the traduction of "Orders of Love". In Mexico
they speak of " the basic principles of life" (los principios
la vida) as synomym to "Orders of Love".ignore, they
I have seen so many attacs to Bert and Sophie which I could
did not affect me. Now I am asking myself: Why does this attacprovoked
by a posting of an extract of You Tube from Russia affects me so much?to be so.
Hellinger has always shown that he is the chef in the ring. Fide
Ingwersen describes it when all the German Therapists went to Bert's
primal Therapy group. He always has confronted individuals by sending
them back to their place or out of the room if he thought it had
That in this case this behavior is put in the neighbourhood offascisme,
this provokes me a big pain. Perhaps it triggles the pain I had whennazi ,
German facilitators like Dr. Langlotz and others treated Bert as
more than 10 years ago. And here this critic has been done by aperson I
admire and love so much.official
On the other side, I have been in Cancun this february for the
mexican fare-well of Bert, and Bert let us all know how deap there haslike a
been his suffering from the exclusion in Germany. Perhaps that is the
second reason why it affects me so much here. For me , I feel it
deep lack of love and respect.history
Concluding I want to send you a link of a lady, with her private
, and I remember the constellation Sophie was directing with her:Nearly
all of us were shocked by Sophie's intervention. But the resultwas healing.
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Best wishes for all, and thanks for your work .
Maria
Am 20.04.2017 um 22:47 schrieb Kathy Curran
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Heiki:
Thanks for reprinting the Potsdam Declaration. For those of us
etc.,) andconstellations, might you also share who authored this, who signed it
(not every name, but rather - all people in attendance at x,
opinionwhat has become of it since then? That is, do people invoke this
regularly? Was it put aside? Has it become a code of conduct? This
would be very helpful.
In general I have appreciated this conversation very much. We do deal
with what could be thought of as esoteric energies and often working
with those kinds of energies conjures up the idea of a cult - blindly
following a revered and feared leader. To see this diversity of
<mailto:heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx ;<heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx>>shared here, all respectfully, and in many cases in a very learned
manner, says a lot about the health of this movement. This is
heartening to one new in the field.
Katherine Curran
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tradition in
Potsdam Declaration on Systemic Constellation Work (revised)
The work with role-playing and constellations has a long
Sculpture workfamily and systemic therapy. Such work is rooted primarily in
therapeutic techniques as they were developed in Family
promiseor in Psychodrama. In the form practiced by Bert Hellinger, it has
achieved a wider public recognition that it never had before.
Regrettably, Hellinger has increasingly distanced himself from his
original systemic work. But he is still to be given credit for his
contributions in strengthening constellation work.
Above all, he has developed new and innovative procedures that
followersto resolve the dynamics of entanglements.
However, today we have reached the point where, not only essential
parts of the practice of Bert Hellinger --- and many of his
regarded---, but also many of his statements and procedures are to be
(e.g.,explicitly as incompatible with the fundamental premises of systemic
therapy, namely:
* Neglecting to clarify statements and their related directives
* The application of mystifying and "self-immunizing" descriptions
("something greater", "taken into service of . . ." etc.)
* The unqualified use of generalized formulations and dogmatic
interpretations ("always when", "bad effect", "punished with death",
"the only way", "forfeit the right," etc.).
* Employing potentially humiliating interventions and submission
rituals ?
* The allegedly compelling linkage of these interventions with
specific models of human types and their associated world views
framework of aregarding gender issues, parenthood, dual nationalities, etc.)
* The idea that one person can reach a truth that is denied to the
other person. This leads to the use of absolutist terminology and
implies that, in a partnership, it is pointless to strive for
cooperation in the relationship.
By contrast, we validate many examples and permutations of
constellation work, all being done in the context of a systemic-
constructivist understanding of therapy, and within the
furthercompetent and responsible therapeutic relationship.
We understand these points as constructive attempts to develop
of thisthis already proven therapeutic technique and also to submit it to
more and more scientific testing.
To that extent we also resist any vague or imprecise criticism
further as akind of practice.
Constellation work "beyond Hellinger" should be developed
is nottherapeutic instrument, but the close connection with his name
to be maintained any longer today. /
July 2004 /
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