Hello,
To answer your question, Alison, I'd say that Hellinger's insight of the
order of time is indubitable, and it does not contradict the presence of
the ancestors guiding and leading your way in this life-time, nor does it
stand against the chance that further generations are embodiments of
previous ones.
From a phenomonological standpoint, which was Hellinger's departure point
and truths' validation mode, the fact that previous generations came first
gives them "priority" in place. And even though the souls coud come back as
future generations, from the same standpoint, the ordering would be the
same: those who are here (in this time-space continuum) first have
priority---regardless of the possibility (or fact) that they might be souls
from previous generations.
What I rather pointed before (in the convsersation thread) is that the
realm of the ancestors could be opened up, not just for reaching out into
the past... (indigenous Africans know this very well).
This requires to step into another dimension of experience (which is not
altogether crazy if you've been in constellations where the presence of
five, six, or more previous generations has been brought into the work).
However, it does require a different way of doing constellations (as I've
experiened myself), one in which *ancestry *can be embodied in its wider
domain--not just as antecessors (which is the modern Westernized view of
them).
All the blessings,
Eugenio
Mexico City
www.metaenergeia.org
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Brigitte Kupfer almaarte@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you all,
This conversation draws me in and your questions and contributions make me
feel at home.
I saw the "orders" in constellations often "used" to confirm our cultural
concepts and the conversation around questions of "order" a source of power
struggles.
It seems there is a crack developing in our collective blind spot in our
constellation world as much as in the world at large, a crack deep enough
that the light (from the future) can come in.
Otto Scharmer's work "Leading from the Emerging Future" and his concept of
"presencing" might be of interest here.
http://ottoscharmer.com/images/general/Ego_to_Eco_Intro.pdf
The Presencing Institute offers a Free Global Online Course between the
7th January and 18th February to create a space for change makers all over
the world, across sectors, systems, cultures, and generations to connect,
co-sense and co-create the emerging future.
https://www.presencing.com/engage/blog/ulab-announcing-live-sessions-and-global-hubs#sthash.r6j5kOu4.dpuf
As Leonard Cohen said: "Forget your perfect 'ordering', the crack is
where the light gets in"
A happy holiday season to you all
Brigitte
Sent from my iPad
On 21 Dec 2014, at 6:32 am, Alison Fornes maitreya71@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you all! For me, too, this is a refreshing and enriching and
resonant discussion.
I wonder if it is connected to another question I've been wondering about,
regarding "orders" as in orders of love, and "place" as in, your place on
what can be seen as a hierarchy based on linear order.
I am running into places within the constellations community where it
feels like the concept of "order" feels like "you're not in your place".
An example of this comes in the question of seniority and experience. As a
relatively new constellations facilitator, my "place" is as a little one,
yet given this concept of circular/spiral/non-linear hierarchies, how do we
make sense of ones true place? Perhaps it's ever shifting?
No answers here, just questions.
In the spirit of the season,
Alison
On Saturday, December 20, 2014, 'Blossoming Heart Intuitive Arts'
heather@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] <
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is such a refreshing dialogue as it encompasses so much of what I’ve
experienced living in different cultures and in breaking down the
Eurocentric perspective of life, death, afterlife, etc.
I’m reminded of a northern tribe who greet newborn children as
“grandmother” or “great grandfather” and such, recognizing that the
ancestor has reincarnated in the next generation, and they give the respect
of that soul’s wisdom from previous times to love and support the family in
different ways. The mystery is unknowable ultimately but I trust older
cultures in ways of understanding spiritual truths that Christianity tried
to destroy.
In my family, they are a white Christian background but apparently when I
was born there was an immediate recognition that “she’s one of us” and I
continually remind my mother of my great grandfather since the day I was
born and in how I treat people and what I care about. It’s beyond belief
systems.
Thank you for initiating this conversation and having us step out of a
linear truth….
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Yes! Yes! Yes, yes! You have spoken much of what my own experience has
been. If we can affect things several generations back, then surely our
work can be modeled to look at all souls in the system as interactive.
These simple knowings are not contained within the Western Enlightenment
culture that has risen from both science and Christianity. Western
minds are set to think within parameters that confine us too often to
accept what has been seen through Western eyes. It is possible to step back
and have the deep understanding that in fact it is only one way of seeing
life systemically.
I love the way you have expressed this. Also within us is an ability to
see the world in several ways all at once. We do not need to limit
ourselves to one perception. All have a validity. It is not that one is
good and the other bad. They are simply different. This is a deep truth
that has entered my life in the last month on a personal basis. This is not
sitting on the fence but rather being poised in a position to see several
pastures at one time and to be able to glean from each of them what it is
we need and to integrate those things.
In Canada we are coming to the beginning of the new sun for the year and
also will celebrate Christmas. The contradiction that in the south you are
celebrating the height of the sun is easily integrated into our
understanding. So it is with perspectives. All is true and all can be
integrated!
The Christian in me says have a blessed Christmas and the indigenous part
of me says glory in the gift of the sun. May all things come to you as you
need them. Much love, Anni
--
*It is the courageous heart that loves. It is the loving heart that
heals.alisonfornes.com <http://alisonfornes.com>*
