[CTS] Re: Folder Printer?
- From: "Peter" <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <computertalkshop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:16:00 -0400
John,
Have you tried StarOffice for Linux yet?
Peter
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Subject: [CTS] Re: Folder Printer?
> And then what do you do with it? Unless you have the time to do nothing
> but *configure* your system you realize it's not worth much as a home
> OS. Linux is still a techie/geek OS that the average person will hate
> to use. Perhaps you enjoy writing a thesis or even just a business
> letter in vi, but I don't.
Well first of all, I HATE vi, and never use it. I use joe, and
personally, I do write my papers and letters in it. I prefer it over
slow, buggy "office products." And if you don't like joe either, there's
pico, emacs, vim, and dozens of others. And as a "home OS," I'm pretty
confident my Linux machines do more than your Windows machines can. :)
And sure, I may be a techie/geek, but since when was there anything wrong
with that? :)
> Right now I'm trying to get a CD player to work in SuSE 7.1. In Windows
> it just works; in Linux, like nearly everything else, it may work
> sometime in the future when I can locate something about it that tells
> how it's *different* than Windows, or Mac (or the microwave for that
> matter).
Have you asked for help yet? It's not really "different" from the way
Windows does it, you just have to tell your cd player app what drive to
read from.
> These days Linux is easy to install, and It makes a good network server.
Correct on both counts. :)
> It's fun to use on the Internet.
And not to mention, faster. :)
> Other than that, it stinks. Who cares
> how stable it is if you can't do anything with it, things that ordinary
> people expect. Please, don't tell me about the wonders of StarOffice.
> StarOffice reminds me of something one would use in Windows 3.11, only
> not quite as good. Unless you own a $6000 network printer you're
> probably not going to print from it. It's absurd to learn a formatting
> language like tex unless you're a typesetter, when perfectly good tools
> are available elsewhere, and have been for years.
Yeah, I personally don't care for SO that much either, but it (and
everything else) prints just fine to my $99 Epson stylus color 440. But I
suppose that's because I'm a geek too, right? :)
> Linux has 900,834,103.5 applications available, most free to the public.
> All but two or three are unknown outside the *nix community and useless
> for the average user.
True. But I'm not suggesting that Linux is for the average user either.
It *can* be, but the average user wouldn't know what to do with the power,
stability, usability, and robustness of a *nix.
> Linux is not about a good operating system. It's about religion,
> and spreading the word of the gospel according to Linus. Whenever I see
> a question about something in Windows and it's answered with "install
> Linux" I wish that everyone who hasn't seen Linux could sit down in
> front of a Linux PC for a few hours. At the end of that time, and after
> extracting their foot from the monitor, most would run screaming back to
> Windows.
When have you ever seen a non-windows user sit down in front of a windows
PC for a few hours and come away with an appreciation for it? I've never
seen it: in fact, I've seen people who have used windows for years be
completely clueless about it (actually, *most* people I used to support
fit this category). Then there are the "Mac people," who, while not
necessarily "correct," feel that windows is a steaming pile of dung
because it's so "hard to use."
"Ease of use" is completely subjective. You're a windows user, not a
Linux user, so deal with it. I'm a Linux user, and I can't stand to sit
in front of a Windows machine because I find the interface clunky and the
OS slow.
I found myself, the other day, actually not knowing (ok, not remembering,
but same thing really) how to change the background color of the icons on
one's desktop. Does that make windows "difficult to use?" No. Does the
fact that you can't figure out how to play cd's through your cdrom make
Linux "stink?" No. Does the fact that I couldn't get my girlfriend's
win98 SE installation to network properly until I had *disabled* "PnP OS?"
in BIOS make Windows suck? Well, maybe, but it could be a hardware issue
too.
And btw, Linux is about making a better OS. Sure, it does get religious
sometimes, but I could say the same thing about evangelizing Windows or
MacOS. The religion side of it isn't "Linux is better," it's "you deserve
better," and "your software isn't Free enough." At least the Free
Software people have something of a moral right on their side.
John
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