RE: IRB thoughts
- From: "Joanna Paull" <joannapaull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <comptesol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:59:27 -0400
Amy,
You make an excellent point; however, I think that getting approval from IRB
is an easier process that rewriting a hundred or so pages of research. IRB
meets many times throughout the year, allowing for many submissions and/or
revisions, if need be. If the idea itself is deeply problematic, though,
and the IRB can identify those problems, the researching might go more
smoothly. I guess it's up to each individual researcher, but these are
certainly thoughts to keep in mind.
Joanna
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On Behalf Of ms lynch
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:12 PM
To: comptesol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: IRB thoughts
I see Jonanna's point, but, one might also look at this another way. Some
people sumbit a method to IRB before writing and researching (researching
especially) thoroughly. Then, they discover after they think it all through
in the course of writing 3 chapters that they want to do something a bit
different from what they gave IRB to approve. They'd have to get approval
all over again. There are missteps possible in either version.
Of course, I write this comfortably from the position of a person writing a
theoretical dissertation, with no need for IRB madness at all.
On 7/27/05, Joanna Paull <joannapaull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I would like to make a comment about Jerry's silly handout about the process
we should be following to get the dissertation done. Specifically, he notes
that we should finish coursework, the qualifying portfolio, the culminating
evaluation, IRB submission and approval, and ending with dissertation
completion and defense. Some of this makes sense; however, I HIGHLY,
HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend that everyone submit their information to IRB
BEFORE working on the first three chapters. Jerry made a mention in his
handout and discussion to write the three chapters of your dissertation
before gaining approval from IRB which is just insane. What happens if (and
probably when) you need to revise your process after IRB reviews it? You
cannot decide on a methodology until you are certain it is ethically
approved by the IRB. That's my own opinion, I suppose, but I just can't
fathom why anyone would wait to gain IRB approval until after they have
decided on their project and had it approved by a committee in the
department. Can anyone rationalize this for me? I think it is a dangerous
route to take. Though, if you were at the meeting (I am now known as
"Honolulu"), you noticed Jerry's disdain for my presence and questions, so
perhaps I should not comment on my thoughts on his wicked ways.
Joanna
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