Amy, You rock for doing this. I am a bit frantic and pissed off that the grad handbook we were given by the department and the website for the department lie about the culminating evaluation. I am awaiting Claude's wisdom about which procedure I should follow--the one outlined in the graduate handbook and website or the one that Jerry outlined in his silly handout. With that said, I would like to make a comment about Jerry's silly handout about the process we should be following to get the dissertation done. Specifically, he notes that we should finish coursework, the qualifying portfolio, the culminating evaluation, IRB submission and approval, and ending with dissertation completion and defense. Some of this makes sense; however, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend that everyone submit their information to IRB BEFORE working on the first three chapters. Jerry made a mention in his handout and discussion to write the three chapters of your dissertation before gaining approval from IRB which is just insane. What happens if (and probably when) you need to revise your process after IRB reviews it? You cannot decide on a methodology until you are certain it is ethically approved by the IRB. That's my own opinion, I suppose, but I just can't fathom why anyone would wait to gain IRB approval until after they have decided on their project and had it approved by a committee in the department. Can anyone rationalize this for me? I think it is a dangerous route to take. Though, if you were at the meeting (I am now known as "Honolulu"), you noticed Jerry's disdain for my presence and questions, so perhaps I should not comment on my thoughts on his wicked ways. Joanna -----Original Message----- From: comptesol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:comptesol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ms lynch Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:18 PM To: comptesol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Dissertation Meeting Notes Hi, All, I attended the information meeting today. After, I scanned the handout given us, on which I scribbled some notes, too, into my computer. Now, we can't send attachments on this list, but I will gladly send it to anyone who writes to me and asks: amy.wordnerd@xxxxxxxxx Amy