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Bob--Can you clarify the Nevada "joint petition" procedure? Does
it automatically mean one lawyer is representing both?
We have "joint petitions" in NH, but there is no requirement that
the parties agree to anything other than the need for divorce (&
the other facts in the petition). It may be signed by 2 lawyers,
no lawyers, or one lawyer & one self-represented party. As a
practical matter, those who file a joint petition usually either
file the agreement with the joint petition or within a few months
of filing it.
One NH lawyer may not even consult with the 2 parties to a
divorce, let alone "represent" them in filing for divorce.
4ws one lawyer to represent 2 parties, this "cordial divorce"
seems very risky for the lawyer. And if the goal is to avoid
fighting, either collaborative practice or mediation are fine methods.
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I've often wondered, in the context of collaboration, when we
would see
the evolution of the legal collaborative role to that of 'legal
expert'
and out of advocate.
Although, as noted below, this type of role does not meet our ethical
rules (current) I do believe, that in the very earliest times of
English
jurisprudence, that this is exactly the role of the legal expert. They
couldn't accept direct remuneration, as they were supposed to be
completely objective.
I'm not saying that each party in a collaborative case shouldn't have
collaborative advocates, but the question is - must they be attorneys?
I could point out all kinds of reasons why others might easily fit
into
this role (coaches for example), like noting that attorneys have to
learn to be advocates without being attached to outcomes, that we
aren't
all that well trained, in law school, to be conflict
'resolvers'... but
from a practical point of view, we are really expensive compared to
other professionals.
Judges follow the rules of ethics - they're still attorneys - and they
are not advocates, so there are precedents even under our current
rules
for this type of transition.
This is an idea I have been asked about by more than one client.
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I'm not a family law practitioner, but I don't see how one can
represent
both parties to a divorce. Maybe those who do practice it see
something
I'm
missing here.
We use the model rules, and recently adopted the comments, too (with
additions -- after all, we are "the Soviet of Washington).
First, there appears to be a concurrent conflict of interest as the
representation of one client is directly adverse to another. RPC
1.7(a)(1).
Second, there's the significant risk that the representation of one
client
will be materially limited by the lawyer's responsibilities to another
client. RPC 1.7(a)(2).
It appears to be a non-consentable conflict, as the representation
involves
the assertion of a claim by one client against another client
represented by
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This certainly seems like a perfect ethics contradiction to me.
There is
no
way that one lawyer can competently represent the interests of 2
individuals
that are terminating their marriage. How is this not a conflict
waiting
to
happen. i would not want to be Ms. Forrier's Malpractice Carrier.
Ohio allows for Dissolution of Marriages with all issues resolved, but
if
only one Attorney is involved, one party waives counsel and is not
represented.
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In Nevada, we have a process for a joint petition divorce where the
couple
files on joint petition for divorce. This assumes everything is
settled
and
agreeable to both parties. The eithical concern is that the
parties may
not
be getting unfettered and full advice on the law and their various
rights
and responsibilities. The parties could easily have differing
interests
and
needs. For example, how do you represent both when one party desires
spousal support and the other is opposed to it. I have done joint
petition
divorces but only in the simpler cases where the real serious
issues and
clashes are not likely to be present. The cordial divorce sounds
like a
good idea but I would caution anyone to tread carefully in these
cases.
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