while using telnet, i found that it had no graphics, which is not what i am used to, also noticed that it didnt show all that was typed. both were hard for me to get used to. the telnet site i used was telnet://123.4.10.106. let me just say that i am glad for how much technology has changed. Mason Life is a journey, not a guided tour. --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.