[citansdnd] Re: unarmed strike
- From: Diana Jakobs <diana.c.jakobs@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: citansdnd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:34:20 -0800
Umm, they are using combat rules for this game, otherwise it would be a
straight skill challenge. Considering the description in the article, and
what we saw in game, this "game" is going to be a brawl I suspect. A brawl
in which they can use all their powers (that do as much damage as a bolt out
of the blue in 4th,) and for which these guys are built, they are all going
to be specific unarmed combatants, and, they will have access to *a lot* of
healing from their captain. If this was another system, yes, that wouldn't
be in the "spirit" of things, but, the thing about 4th is that it is all
equivalent, an arcane striker or martial one generally does the same thing,
lots of damage, with different trappings per their class, the same for all
the other roles. If we were facing a team of arcane casters that were
similarly limited to us, maybe it would work, we are not, the other team can
make full use of our abilities, while most of our team will be doing melee
basics, and probably missing a lot.
The example with Barrian is a reasonable one, he is one of us that doesn't
have a huge chunk taken out of his powers, and he is still terribly
outmatched by the team captain. Now think about our Invoker, or our Shaman,
they will have very little they can do at all. Heck, even Tartarus will
have a full half of all his stuff gone, and he'll have an AC of like 13 to
boot.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, <warrl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I built a level-11 warlord with no armor and Spiked Gauntlets +1 (1d6
> one-handed off-hand
> Unarmed weapon with +2 proficiency bonus) and compared him against Berrian.
>
> On his melee basic attack or any of his at-wills where *he* attacks rather
> than one of his
> allies (warlords do that), he would *average* 12 damage. Berrian has 33 hit
> points. So,
> three rounds. Yes, that is after allowing for misses. Berrian's healing
> surge is less than 12
> HP, so using it would be a waste.
>
> At AC15 when similarly poorly equipped, Berrian is probably among the
> harder-to-hit people
> on the team. On the other hand he probably isn't among the toughest.
>
> Meanwhile, Berrian similarly equipped and using Twin Strike and Hunter's
> Quarry would
> average 8.2 damage per round. The warlord has 83 hit points. It would take
> Berrian 11
> rounds to take this guy down, assuming he uses no surges. Second Wind gives
> him another
> 20 HP; he also has two uses of Inspiring Word at an average of 30.5 HP
> each. So
> effectively that's 164 HP, or 21 rounds of Twin Strike. Discounting the
> three rounds of
> healing, 18 rounds.
>
> The expected result of combat is that this guy ALONE takes out Berrian and
> four or five
> more like him. And a warlord really should never be alone. A barbarian hits
> people with his
> axe; a warlord hits people with his barbarian.
>
> Encounters, dailies, and utilities? A level-11 character has more of them,
> and better ones,
> than a level-3 characer. Assume they will tilt things in the warlord's
> favor. As if it weren't
> already tilted enough.
>
> In comparison, if Berrian were also level 11 there would be only a slight
> edge in the
> warlord's favor in one-on-one combat. Something that might be fixed by a
> round or two of
> assistance from another player.
>
>
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