Hallo Guy,
here is my first idea.
In Germany we have a couple of pilots (like: Markus Zolitch, Dennis
Horn, Marc Faulhaber and Alan Goljevschek) flying at a very good
level now. So it will be hard to make a decision. But anyway it
should be possible to select two pilots to represent our country.
Cheers,
Martin
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Von: ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Guy Revel
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Mai 2011 14:52
An: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: World Artistic Games -
Suggested competitors
Dear all,
I tried to establish a list of possible World Artistic Games
competitors according to my information and what you told me. As
you see, this makes a fair number of countries already.
The countries that unquestionably deserve two competitors (in my
opinion) are on a blue background. These are the five countries
where we definitely know the level of the second-best pilot. In
those countries, there should be at least one selection contest at
national level or the candidates would have to take part in one of
the international contests (Lithuania, Czech Rep., France, Belgium
? ) where they can be evaluated against known top pilots.
Competitors from Africa (RSA) and Asia (Japan) would definitely
complete the roundup in the best possible way along the lines
expressed by SportAccord.
Please use the spreadsheet to add or remove names and make
suggestions of any kind. Use a different colour so as to make it
more easily understandable.
Guy R.
At 00:04 23/05/2011, you wrote:
Hello Guy.
I live on Fuengirola, Malaga, at south of Spain, actually on
Cataluña is one good pilot, he finish on second place behind me
the last 6 years, and new pilots come since the past year, i
believe that we need just a little more time for present two
pilots on an "Prestige event" , but i will talk with my partner
and i will tell you what compromise he have with these questions.
Ido starts the last year with new models on indoor freestyle
flights, i´m shure that this will be a good competition for him
and for the championship.
I agree with Donatas about invite to Gabriel Altuz.
Regards.
ANdres.
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Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 20:47:59 +0200
To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: guyrevel@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: World Artistic Games
Andres & all,
Thank you for the information. So this drives to more questions :
1) Are they other Spanish indoor pilots that may be up to the
required level ? Is there a need for a selection in Spain (actually
all the AM pilots I've heard of are from Barcelona or Catalunya).
2) I know and I have seen Ido Segev fly, but I didn't know he was
flying indoor too. Jiri, I believe you have Ido's email address,
would you write him or give me his email address ?
3) About Japan, it is up to Ken to tell us. Obviously we would
welcome pilots from outside Europe as well as judges.
I have not been told anything on the subject a covers everything,
but I would not be surprised if the next World Air Games and World
Artistic Games organisers were from outside Europe. Two reasons for that :
- The center of gravity of aeromodelling activity shifts
increasingly towards Asia;
- We are talking about multi-sport events and the interest is not
centered on our sport, but on communication through sports. This is
how the latest World Games were in Asia and the coming ones in
Colombia. The money for large events is not in Europe any more,
just think at the forthcoming football/soccer World Cup in the
Arabic states. As long as the travel expenses are covered by the
organisers, this should be of no concern and, on the contrary, the
chances of increased TV coverage are real. This is good when you
are looking for sponsors.
Guy R.
At 20:09 22/05/2011, you wrote:
Hello Dear Guy.
My situation now is ok, I´m Argentinian and Spanish citizen since
the past October.
About your questions, I agree with Mr. Jiri, and may be a good
idea talk with Ido Segev from Israel, he is a very
good freestyler and if he aply the rules for shure can fly on
World class level. I see some videos on You Tube from Japanes
championship, and some boys make rasonable freestyles, if they
aply the rules they can take part on world class championship.
Regards.
Andres.
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Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 12:09:47 +0200
To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: guyrevel@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] Re: World Artistic Games
Dear Jiri,
Thank you for your contribution. At this point, competition RC
indoor activity is nil in Africa (but starting from what Bob
Skinner told me) and Oceania (Australia), I would apreciate Ken to
tell us what the situation is at this time in Japan and other Asian countries.
I look forward seeing such an international contest in the Czech
Rep. Actually I would expect more possible participating countries
than you mention by adding Slovakia, Lithuania and possibly Belarus
and obviously at least Germany. Don't forget that registration to
FAI must be before November 15.
World Air Games, World Games, World Artistic Games clearly show a
new trend that affects not only our activity, but all CIAM and FAI
competitions. These are high-level competitions ( "Prestige Events"
) which have in common, compared to World Championships, that the
number of competitors is limited and that only the World's best
competitors may be invited, irrespective of their Nation, whereas
at World Championships every NAC is entitled to send a national
team of up to 3 competitors. In other words:
- At World Championships, the competitive level of the entrants is
not taken into account and the number of competitors is not
limited. This makes for the very unequal competitors' level we see
at every RC World Championship.
- At "Prestige Events" the number of competitors is limited but
only the World's best are invited. NAC's action & power is limited
to approve or not the invited pilots from their country.
So obviously the only way to select competitors for Prestige Events
is via some kind of World Ranking. It just happens that for the
World Artistic Games, the short time remaining makes it unrealistic
in my opinion and we need more international contests anyway. But
as these Games are here to stay, we should look into the future.
Donatas suggested establishing a World Cup for F3P competitions.
The idea is good and could be extended to F6B AeroMusicals. It is
just that, up to now, there have been very few official
international contests in these two classes and limited to the
Czech Rep., Belgium, Lithuania and France and only 6 official
international contests registered in the FAI contest calendar over
the last 8 years, not very satisfying to say the least. If all
indoor contests to FAI rules ( F3P & F6B) with international
participation were registered, as FAI rules make it mandatory, the
situation would be much, much better.
During the coming Winter I expect at least the Czech and Lithuanian
contests to be officially registered to FAI, I have hints that one
in the UK could be registered too and possibly one in France. The
more international participation, the better view we will have of
the respective levels of all pilots and really send to the World
Artistic Games the very best of them. As for a World Cup, because
several CIAM Delegates belong to this Working Group, it would be up
to them to prepare a suitable proposal for the next CIAM Plenary.
I almost forgot : Indoor freestyle is flown in the USA, but with
loose rules varying from organiser to organiser. F3P or F6B have
never been flown there to the full rules extend, but it will not be
a problem to have two World class pilots nominated, provided they
then practice to the actual AeroMusicals rules.
Guy R.
PS: Andres, what is your situation with the Spanish Aero-Club now
? Wouldn't it be mush simpler to apply for a Sporting Licence to
the Argentinian Aero Club, as you are entitled to ?
At 22:36 21/05/2011, you wrote:
Dear Guy,
Thank you for the information that Aero Musicals are accepted as a
part of World Artistic Games and it is good news signalling that
popularity of indoor free style aerobatics seems to be growing. I
fully agree with you that the requirement to select 24 first class
competitors with only 2 pilots from each country could be quite
difficult because as far as I know, there are only few countries
which could offer really ?world class" performing pilots.
Unfortunately I know only the situation in Europe and little bit in
USA (watching some videos) and based on my opinion I can answer
your 2 questions following way:
Germany, Czech Republic, France and USA are able to offer even more
than 3 perfectly suitable pilots for top World event like World
Artistic Games.
Belgium, The Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Lithuania, Hungary are able
to offer at least one or two suitable pilots
As I mentioned before I do not know the situation in Asia, Africa,
Oceania or Australia ? sorry, I never heard any single word about
the Aero Musicals in these parts of the World.
Anyway, on the beginning of next year (2012) we are ready to
organize in Czech Republic the international contest for Aero
Musicals and we will invite the possible pilots from Polen, Russia,
Hungary, Austria and the results of this contest could be used for
selection of good free style pilots.
Best regards
Jiri Havel
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From: ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
<mailto:ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:ciam-f6-wg-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Guy Revel
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:19 PM
To: ciam-f6-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [CIAM-F6-Working_Group] World Artistic Games
Dear all,
It is now official : AeroMusicals will be part of the World
Artistic Games along with many other sports. Here are a few details :
Multisport event organized by SportAccord (
<http://www.sportaccord.com/en/>http://www.sportaccord.com/en/)
First edition should be held in 2012 (Nov ?) or 2013 (Feb to May)
Seven sports expected to be on the official sports program :
Gymnastics, Swimming, Dance Sport, Roller, Cycling and Air Sports
(Indoor AeroMusicals)
Cycling, Dance Sport, Roller Sport and Air Sports are expected to
share the same venue.
Competition schedule should consist of 1 training day and 2
competition days (see attached draft schedule)
24 top competitors for Indoor AeroMusicals
All travel and in-country costs should be paid by the host for each
competitor.
The actual requirements are somewhat conflicting : SportAccord
wants the absolute 24 very best competitors in the World, but
simultaneously expect as many participating countries as possible
with preferably no more than 2 competitors per country.
So my questions:
1) In which countries do you believe there are at least two World
Class AeroMusicals pilots ?
2) Which countries may field certainly one, but probably not two
World class competitors ?
This drives to the selection method. Obviously most selection
contests that may take place would be during the Winter 2011/2012,
so in order to forward all necessary information to the concerned
NACs, a decision has to be made early, I mean around June 15 at the
latest in order to send everything to the NACs before the Summer.
My opinion at this point is that World Artistic Games (WAG2)
competitors are to be nominated by their National Aero Club (NAC),
either through direct nomination or selection contests.
Nevertheless, as the final entry is limited to 24, we and the CIAM
Bureau will have to make a final decision as it may be that some
obscure country submits two names we have never heard about.
Because the competition season is across 2011 and 2012, it seems
better to use for everybody the 2012-valid rules (actually the only
change is in the last scoring criterion, a very important change in fact).
I am convinced that in the major countries such as the Czech
Republic, Germany or France, fair selection contests will be run
without difficulty and I do not doubt the two top pilots coming
out of these contests will actually be World class. The situation
is not so clear with other countries such as the UK, Russia and
such. For this reason, international contests would be a tremendous
help. I have no doubt that Donatas can do that in Lithuania and
probably France may see such a contest (IITOP), At least one
contest in the Czech Republic would help as pilots from Poland,
Slovakia, Austria etc. may enter.
So for the time beeing please answer ASAP my two questions before
we go into the next step. Meanwhile I may have more informations.
Regards,
Guy R.
PS: To answer some wuestions: the net result of all this is that
2013 will be extremely busy for AeroMusicals, beginning with the
World Artistic Games at the beginning of the year (or shortly
before), the World Games in Cali, Colombia in August and the World
Air Games in-between.
PPS: Any contest from now on may also count for the WAG 2013
selection (top 12 pilots, same criteria as last time)..
