Ross, You're welcome! Best I can remember, older IE versions from 3 up contain the dialer package. MS "licensed" the dialer and stack from Shiva. I think that the versions in IE5 for Win3 and IE3 for Win3 are compatible. I've found the Shiva dialer to be very reliable and easy to setup. If you decide to have a go at the stand-alone version from Jake at Arachne Quick Chat, you might want to double check your OLE versions also, the common controls and such. IE3 installer updates them also.! See you later! Glenn http://members.surfbest.net/wizard57m@xxxxxxxxxxxx/index.htm In a message dated 01-12-17 11:45:13 EST, you write: << I just downloaded FoxMail. It's MiniEudora! :) This is great, as Eudora is 4mb, while this is just a few hundred k. I'll have to give this to him. :) Thanks, Ross >> -- To unsubscribe, send a message to listar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe calmira_tips" in the body. OR visit http://freelists.dhs.org