Hi phrostie, > cool bike! we have a couple cyclists here at work. i'll fwd it to > them. Thanks.... > the cad link seems broken. Mmm, strange. Works for me as I write this. Here it is again: http://www.eland.org.uk/pages/Misc/cadnotes.html Let me know if no joy... Cheers! Peter -- Peter Eland Editor and Publisher, Velo Vision: http://www.velovision.co.uk/ Editor, HPV News: http://www.ihpva.org/hpva Velo Vision magazine: Utne Independent Press Award nominee 2002 --