[Bristol-Birds] Re: Disturbing information
- From: "Larry McDaniel" <localcolors@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <dnldhlt@xxxxxxx>, <b_cawood@xxxxxxxxx>, <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:47:16 -0500
It sounds like Bill Caywood handled himself well in his conversation with
the sports and gun shop folks. I don't believe their mindsets are nearly as
common as they were in the past. Many a farmer/hunter have become
enlightened to the point of being real assets to environmental causes.
Unfortunately, many people from all walks of life still harbor misguided and
detrimental attitudes.
Don Holt's reply expressed a philosophy that I share whole heartedly. I
agree that trying to tell someone that they are wrong, uneducated,
misguided, etc. will almost surely do no good. It is likely to make matters
worse. What we say, however can make a difference. It can be for better or
worse. We need to choose our words wisely. Awareness is usually the first
step toward improvement. There is much room for improvement.
Larry McDaniel
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: [Bristol-Birds] Re: Disturbing information
> Hey Bill,
> Ideas have lives of their own. There is a set of unexamined cultural
> beliefs and assumptions that keep certain attitudes current. Some of the
> nicest people I have ever met would not hesitate to at least consider
> killing anything that causes them to lose money or property (like a
> woodpecker damaging their house, for instance), or that is perceived to be
> a threat whether true or imagined. Any other way of looking at the
> situation is often derided as "impractical". I think all of us were
> raised with some element of that outlook, perhaps expressed in a different
> situation. How many of us tolerate all insects? Or for that matter,
> Starlings and Brown-headed Cowbirds. Same thing. Just more examples of
> the "them versus us" mindset to which we are all susceptible. That
> mindset allows all of us to justify doing unsavory things in our effort to
> do good for us and ours. How do we deal with this? I wish I knew. I
> know trying to tell others what to do will not help, but set
> ting an example might. Seeing the best in others, like tolerance,
> generosity, and compassion, might encourage them in that direction. I
> guess for now the best I know to do is to be aware of the "me versus them"
> tendency in myself, and try to avoid its worst expressions. Do no harm,
> judge not, do unto others as you would have done to you, turn the other
> cheek,...These and other wisdom teachings are all firewalls against the
> potential horrors of unenlightened self-interest. I can at least imagine
> the day when our wisdom becomes second nature. But personally, I still
> can't tolerate centipedes. :-)
>
> Don Holt
> Johnson City, TN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Cawood <b_cawood@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Bristol Birds <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:54:56 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [Bristol-Birds] Disturbing information
>
> To all.
> Today while conversing with an acqauintance the topic turned to birds.
> Not the
> normal way however. The conversation took place in a sports and gun shop.
> One
> fella said he had seen an American Woodcock on his farm. We talked about
> the
> differences btw woodcock and snipe a little and then the conversation
> turned for
> the worse. I was asked what I thought about the following scenario; A
> hunter
> last year reported that his turkey decoy had been hit, picked up and
> carried 15
> feet or so by a red tailed hawk. The man was not keen on red-tails to say
> the
> least,,, Any thoughts? I was asked about Hawks in general and their
> relationship with game animals such as quail, turkeys, rabbits and
> squirrels. I
> tried to relate that any animals taken by the hawks were small in number
> compared to those lost due to habitat destruction, pollution after
> effects and
> feral pets.. The group (3-4 men by now) agreed that ferals were taking
> many many
> animals. Stories ranged from kestrels taking dov
> es and
> squirrels to red tails taking "all" the quail and rabbits.... I was
> bothered
> by this, anyone have any thoughts?
> Then the conversation turned to great blue herons. The concensus was that
> herons were killing all the game fish, especially those in fish ponds.
> After
> explaining that the herons were not cranes or storks, we agreed that other
> than
> the occasional fish pond raid, herons were "ok" birds...
>
> I hadn't heard these ideas in years and had thought that they had become
> a
> thing of the past.
>
> Bill Cawood, BSG VA
>
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