You can have both packages on your system at once. They should not interfere with each other. The command-line innterface for liblouisutdml is file2brl instead of xml2brl By default, liblouisutdml wil behave like liblouisxml To see how to use the new features ijnntroduced by Bert and how to get UTD markup, see the documentations ajnd also look in the lbu_files directory at the files makeutd.cfg viewutd.cfg and volumes.cfg Documentation for UTDML is in the works. Note that liblouis and liblouisutdml will remain C libraries, so they do not require a run-time environment and can thus be used with a variety of high-level languages. Liblouisutdml has Java bindings for use in BrailleBlaster. I am thinking of writing a comand-line Java application to test them. John -- John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc. http://www.abilitiessoft.com Madison, Wisconsin USA Developing software for people with disabilities