To be honest, the ogg format is not a joke. Perhaps they are tweaking and modifying the format, but the basic format will remain the same. It makes sense to use such a format which bosts greater depth and clarity with a reduced size over mp3. Now true for audio books etc. you don't need the same level of quality as with music and perhaps mp3 would be fine as there may not be as much savings over the ogg format, but I've not conducted experiments in this manner myself. I am sure however the ogg or vorbis format would still win out and is still very much worth supporting. There is plenty of stuff in the vorbis format and hopefully more will find its way on to the web. The fact that more now maybe offered as mp3 makes sense as mp3 has been around longer than vorbis. Just because its open source is not a reason to shy away from it, but instead make use of it and that's the whole point of open source. One other final thought is that why should someone have to go through and perform a conversion of a file from vorbis to mp3 in any case. That's like taking an mp3, converting it to wav, and into something else; you stand to loose quality in doing this. Scott >Hi, > >I still think that mp3 is the way to go because it works on allmost any >device. To be honest, OGG vorbous is a joke because they keep messing with >the format as it's open source. In any case, what's the problem of >converting to mp3 using sound forge or even something like audio conversion >wizard?