I do too, I really hope she stays.
From: "Mary Garrard" <springazure1@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "BOO List" <boo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 3:03:03 PM
Subject: [boo] Re: OBOL Moderator
Agreed. I support Treesa.
Mary
On Feb 26, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Sheran < [ mailto:sheran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;|
sheran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ] > wrote:
Yes, I second that.
From: Karen Saxton
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 2:41 PM
To: Russ Namitz
Cc: boo
Subject: [boo] Re: OBOL Moderator
Well, said, Russ! And yes, Teresa does a difficult job well.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 2:33 PM Russ Namitz <namitzr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Let's all take a breath.....
I commend Teresa for her efforts and with no disrespect to previous moderators,
myself included, she is one of the best that OBOL has ever seen.
She is a woman, with a history of supporting other women, and that should
immediately qualify and validate her position, especially in regards to the
issue(s) at hand.
She is also balancing a contentious topic/behavior/occurrence where tempers are
high and people are reactionary to the point of volatile.
Teresa, please don't step down. You are under a bit of pressure here
understandably. I sense that you are trying to facilitate a conversation and
dialogue....a very difficult one to mediate.
Sincerely,
Russ Namitz
From: boo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx < boo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > on behalf of Teresa
Hertzel < teresa.hertzel@xxxxxxxxx >
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 2:04 PM
To: Brodie Cass Talbott < brodietlewis@xxxxxxxxx >
Cc: BOO List < boo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >
Subject: [boo] Re: Fwd: Re: Wow!!
You are saying clearly that you feel I have not done a good job of moderating
OBOL. You give examples and bring up history. How can you do that on the spur
of the moment? Have you been saving this up? This is the first time you have
indicated this to me, and you are choosing to do it publicly. As you are a
member of the OBA Board, I would say you are deliberately humiliating me. Why?
Would you like me to resign as OBOL moderator?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:50 PM Brodie Cass Talbott < brodietlewis@xxxxxxxxx >
wrote:
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All the more reason I would not be interested in promoting BOO. This clearly
shows the value of a moderated forum, and I hope we can work to make OBOL a
welcoming space for all kinds of birders.
I also want to point out that I was among many that thought Jeff should be
banned, but none of us thought that it was "immediate." He already had a long
series of problematic posts, including calling people "psychos," the obviously
racially charged mention of "moorish sovereigns," and multiple descriptions of
graphic violence in defense of his use of the term "psycho," none of which had
anything to do with birds or birding.
This was all BEFORE he started attacking women on the forum, emailing people
off list, and then threatening to call the police on anyone who wrote him
off-list, as well as telling others that he was interested in suing me because
of my response in support of women.
Any one of these posts should have put him on moderated posts, with the
subsequent post resulting in banning. There was nothing "immediate" about it.
And if he's allowed to bully people here, I'm out, and would encourage others
to do the same, as a message that the birding community does not support
bullying or sexism.
Brodie
Portland
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 1:38 PM Teresa Hertzel < teresa.hertzel@xxxxxxxxx >
wrote:
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Brodie, that was not a fair statement. BOO is not moderated.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:37 PM Brodie Cass Talbott < brodietlewis@xxxxxxxxx >
wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
I found Jeff's email to Linda to be the textbook case of bullying, and am
shocked that it wasn't met with swift condemnation from the moderator. It
encourages him to post more like this, and the women on this list to yet again
have to choose to stay and be the target of bullying, or leave yet another
forum, for self defense.
There was mention of perhaps having the OBA board consider adding this list to
our website. I won't speak for anyone else on the board but I would have no
interest in promoting a list that tolerates this sort of behavior.
Brodie
Portland
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 13:03 Mary Garrard < springazure1@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Whether or not we would like someone in person is irrelevant. What’s relevant
is how we treat each other online since that is how we know each other. I
consider Jeff’s email to be a perfect example of what is not acceptable. First,
because the email specifically targeted someone. I reread her email and she
didn’t mention Jeff, but maybe I missed something. Second, because one feels
attacked doesn’t give one permission to retaliate. That’s how wars get started.
Third, if a response is necessary, it can be stated in such a way that promotes
communication instead of shutting it down.
I leave it to Treesa to decide how to handle it, since she’s the moderator, and
even though BOO doesn’t have the same guidelines as OBOL, civility is still
necessary.
Mary
___________
My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness. The Dalai Lama
BQ_BEGIN
On Feb 26, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Jeff Gilligan < jeffgilligan10@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Women - You would probably like me. Most do who know me. Most means over 50%. I
take a widow in the neighborhood to Nogales, Mexico to see her dentist. She is
concerned about going on her own (wise). I spent uncounted hours on a team
looking for the Golden State Killer (aka - East Area Rapist). Our POI (who had
ties to Post and Prineville, Oregon) was taken very seriously by the cold case
detectives, but his sister’s DNA ruled him out. The case looked incredibly
good, so much so that the detectives were surprised and disappointed. BTW:
Dozens of ex-wives and ex-girl friends turned in their EXs as being the killer.
Some reports were in great detail, that included supposed admissions. They were
all debunked, and some were so convincing that barring DNA analysis, the EX
would have possibly been charged with murders. That is why evidence matters.
Recently I got a very solid lead on the murder of Eliane Fay Lehtinen. The cold
case unit in the Bay Area took (or is taking) it seriously. I am not optimistic
though unless there is DNA evidence: [
https://murdermurder.news/2020/07/10/your-next-favorite-podcast-naptime-nancy/ ;
|
https://murdermurder.news/2020/07/10/your-next-favorite-podcast-naptime-nancy/ ;
] .
It is just not right to accuse some one publicly and make claims, without first
hand knowledge, where there has not been a trial and conviction. Calling a
person who is not a public figure a perpetrator of a crime of moral turpitude
is just wrong, unless there is a conviction. Even if an innocent man is not
charged, or not found guilty, his reputation will always be damaged.
Women birders should be more concerned about guys like this: [
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jack_Fowler ;|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jack_Fowler ] or [ ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes ;|
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes ] . Bobby Fowler worked about 200 ;
yards from the Boiler Bay wayside. Keyes raped a woman on the Deschutes River.
Both of these guys stalked Oregon birding locations for a time. Even in the
Georgia situation, the purported victim acknowledges that they were dating. Not
even her allegation would indicate that he is a troll hiding in the woods
waiting to waylay women birders. Indicating his name to protect Oregon women
who he is not dating 3,000 miles away is unnecessary. The first comment on
OBOL, about the board o OBA condemning assaults on women seemed strange to me,
but uncontroversial. I very much doubt that anyone on OBOL favors violence
against women.
If he did what is claimed, he deserves punishment.
Even on this site, I would hope we revert to birding talk.
Jeff Gilligan
BQ_BEGIN
On Feb 26, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Teresa Hertzel < teresa.hertzel@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Linda and Jeff, please both stay on this listserv. Our biggest "problem" is our
diversity, and BOO is our last hope to figure out how to get along.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 1:22 PM Jeff Gilligan < jeffgilligan10@xxxxxxxxx >
wrote:
BQ_BEGIN
Right. It is nice to have a site where birds can be discussed, and that is not
subject to the thought control bureau, that encourages false accusations about
posters, and has no trouble accusing a not arrested or charged person (in
Georgia) with crimes of moral turpitude. I will post bird sightings here in the
future.
Linda Fink - go take a dump. I can see you are full of it.
( I don’t react rudely, except to the rude and crude.)
Jeff Gilligan
On Feb 26, 2021, at 12:13 PM, canyoneagle (Redacted sender "canyoneagle" for
DMARC) < dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Absolutely agree with everything Linda said, great note, thank you!
I hung on for six years before giving up on OBOL. A number of people I know
gave up much sooner, and were quite bitter about the treatment that they
received from what Linda called the "old guard". My name for them was the
"Inner Circle". I always thought that they used OBOL as if it was their own
private list, rather than a list that is open to all bird folks. Perhaps the
Inner Circle should think about starting their own list?
I live in California now, but still enjoy reading Boo, so thank you Treesa!
I might run into some of you in the field in the future, as I will be up that
way again.
Best wishes all,
Lori Markoff
canyoneagle@xxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: boo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx < boo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > On Behalf Of
Linda Fink
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 6:51 PM
To: boo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [boo] Wow!!
I checked my email this evening, as usual, and was shocked to see a whole
slew of Boo messages in my daily digest. I have not bothered to check OBOL
for several days as I'm busy living life here on the farm in the post-ice age
times. So I had not read any of the stuff y'all are talking about. How
wonderful to hear such a reasonable discussion here on Boo!
I'll come down on the side of Caleb. Bullies should be removed. I've been on
OBOL since the early days when it really was just for rare bird sightings.
That is no longer necessary thanks to e-bird. And, folks, those knowledgeable
old guys are not the only ones on OBOL who are knowledgeable. Others would
speak up if the old guard took their toys and left.
As for what topics should be on OBOL, political discussions still need to be
on BOO. I love having that venue where I know people are interested in
hearing about the conservation issues I post there (here).
And where I can read about ones I may not have known about yet. (Thanks, the
other Linda!)
And, finally, a million thanks to moderator Theresa. What a fine and fair job
you have always done. I still hate the e-bird reports that fill up my OBOL
digest but I respect that I can scroll (and scroll and
scroll) past them eventually to get to what I'm interested in, which is not
rare bird sightings but just interesting bird sightings, like Judy's field
trip reports... I always envied having a group like that birding together.
What OBOL has become by letting the old guard have their way is of very
little interest to me anymore. And I hate hearing people disparage each
other. Joel is always getting into trouble with some of the old regulars yet
Joel is out there doing more for birds and conservation on a daily basis than
most anyone else on OBOL. His personality, like mine, just ticks some people
off. Theresa has a job keeping us both in line but she is very fair.
When I get time, I'll go back and read the OBOL digests from the last several
days and learn who the bad guys are this time around, although I think I
know. OBOL has never been welcoming to new birders and so when a new birder
comes on and gets shot down, I try to send them a private email telling them
not to let the old guard get them down. I'm sorry I was not paying attention
this time.
Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this discussion and especially
to Theresa for bringing it up. We are so fortunate to have her as moderator
on OBOL!
And, again, please listen to Caleb. Do not put up with crap no matter how
knowledgeable the crapper is.
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