RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

"M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> · Sun, 27 May 2007 09:27:08 -0700

Yes, I like Smart Hal as well except for the fact that is does not work well
with Microsoft's Voice Command.  I am a huge fan of Voice Command and use it
regularly.  I informed the tech support people about it at Dolphin.  

By the way, Windows Mobile 6 comes with Voice Command.  There is no need to
purchase it separately, anymore.

M*rk

-----Original Message-----
From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hamish Mackenzie
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 PM
To: Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane
Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

Hi All

I would just like to chip in on the eloquence debate.  I have a licence for 
MSS as this was the only player several months back but I was also not 
really enjoying the voice.  I recently trialed Smart Hal which has the 
eloquence voices and I liked it so much I bought the product.  On the 
battery life i find i actually get a longer time between charges than with 
MSS.  I also dont get any crashes when coming out of having the keypad 
locked nor do i seem to have any random crashes from time to time.  Now to 
keep this a fair comment I would like to point out that MSS is probably a 
more feature rich product that works slightly better on the web and has more

configuration options but the voice was just killing me.  Smart Hal works 
very well with the phone contacts and messaging  and I would suggest anyone 
with a smart phone gives it a go.  They offer a 30 day trial as well.  I am 
using an O2 Graphite by the way.

Please dont take this as a direct criticism of MSS which it is not I am 
merely pointing out an alternative to people who are having problems with 
the voice.  I would be back to MSS in a flash if they got eloquence as an 
option.

Cheers for now

Hamish
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman" <stncom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" 
<dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; 
<msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

> Hi Victor,
>
> CodeFactory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS cuz many users were
> experiencing the problem of battery running out too fast.  It seemed that
> Eloquence drains out the battery very fast.  I experienced the same 
> problem
> myself when I was using Mobile Speak on the Symbian Phone about 2 or 3 
> years
> ago. There might be other reasons too which only CodeFactory knows why.
>
> Regards,
> Rahim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'"
> <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens"
> <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.
>
>
>> Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of
>> Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town,
>> and find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence.
>> First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they
>> exagerate speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate
>> the phone.
>> I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS.
>> Regards,
>> Vic
>>
>> --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the
>>> voices offered for MSP or MSS.  I am currently using Loquendo
>>> Dave for US English.  I'm still trying to learn how to put
>>> more than one voice on my phone without paying for more than
>>> one license.  I, too, can't understand certain words, even
>>> after reviewing them several times.  I haven't yet figured out
>>> how to spell words on my motorola Q.  I wouldn't mind a
>>> slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could
>>> understand the speech better.  Sometimes, even when I know
>>> what Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound
>>> llike an actual word.
>>> Deanne
>>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>   From: Geoff Stephens
>>>   To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>   Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>   Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>>
>>>   I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since
>>> I'm a new MSP user and am anxious to let people know how
>>> usable and intuitive Code Factory has made these devices.
>>> Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that
>>> the speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution.  In fact,
>>> many seem to become completely disinterested in all the rest
>>> of the demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech.  It
>>> seems that everybody wants Eloquence.  I truly believe Code
>>> Factory could sell significantly more copies of MSP if
>>> Eloquence was available.
>>>
>>>   I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to
>>> admit that it is still difficult for me after a month and a
>>> half of use.  I'm not very productive with it.  I will live
>>> with it because I have to do so.  I generally use arate of 19.
>>>  I frequently have to go back and review words I did not
>>> understand.  I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent
>>> of maximum with JAWS for example) and do not have any problem
>>> reading at that rate.
>>>
>>>   I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness
>>> of Fonix.  I support those who contend that it is not very
>>> responsive.  It is difficult to provide support for that
>>> argument since there are many factors to consider including
>>> the device and the screen reader.  How are we to know how
>>> responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we haven't used it?
>>> I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it
>>> would be bettter.
>>>
>>>   I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it
>>> and wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY
>>> keyboard are the left and right soft keys in case you want to
>>> use them in the future.  I was forced to do  so a couple of
>>> weeks ago when the front keyboard on my 8525 stopped working.
>>> I have since received a replacement and it is working fine.  I
>>> have continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY
>>> keyboard when it is open.  For a long time I did not realize
>>> that those keys were actually keys.  I thought they were part
>>> of the communication that must occur to let the device know
>>> when the keyboard is opened and closed.  They are a little
>>> awkward to press at first but they work very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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