I had a similar experience with a windows 10 computer after enabling the start
up sound I found that the start up sound would only play if I did a restart it
would not play when the computer was stored it from a cold boot in this case
after following Davidson advice I disable fast start up and the behavior became
more predictable the start up sound now please if I restart or shut down and
then start it was very strange but it did not add much time to the start up
although it is a computer with an SSD
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On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:02 AM, David Goldfield <dgoldfield1211@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jan,
I think it's worth finding out the procedure your husband uses to shut down
your computer and compare it to how you're doing it.
Disabling fast startup may sound a bit involved and Microsoft could have made
the process a bit easier. Here's how to disable fast startup.
You need to open Power and Sleep Settings in order to find this feature. The
quickest way to do this is to open the start menu and type the word Power
into the search box. Once you do this, don't press enter but press down arrow
to start navigating through the search results. If you have certain versions
of Office installed, you may find that Powerpoint may be the first result in
the list.
If this happens for you, keep pressing your down arrow key until you hear
Power and Sleep Settings. When you know that you're pointing to Power and
Sleep Settings, press enter.
Next, press the tab key and look for a link which reads Additional Power
Settings. Press enter.
Press the tab key until you find the link Choose What the Power Buttons Do.
Press enter.
Next, press the tab key and look for the link which says Change Settings That
Are Currently Unavailable. Press enter.
You may be asked to verify that this is really what you want to do. Press
alt+Y to confirm or, if you're asked to do so, enter your logon password.
Next, press the tab key until you find a checkbox for enabling fast startup.
On your system, it is likely checked. Press the spacebar to uncheck it.
Finally, press the tab key until you find a button for saving these settings.
Press enter or spacebar on this button.
Next, do a shutdown and then restart your machine. You may find that a few
extra seconds have been added to the restart process but you also may find
that you have more reliable behavior when your system does restart.
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On 6/26/2017 9:24 PM, Jan Lattuca wrote:
Hi, David. Well, what an interesting email. I have two basic
comments/questions.
First, whenever I shut down the computer, NVDA speaks when I next log
on. When hubby shuts down, it often does not. We can't figure out
what he'd be doing differently than me, but that does sometimes
happen.
Second, I believe we do have the fast start-up on, because there is no
Windows 10 music or chime, and the computer is engaged within maybe
five seconds of my turning it on. It sounds like disabling the fast
start-up is a good idea. But how do I do it? You said that alt F4 at
login only temporarily disables it, right?
I await your next response with baited breath (smile).
Thanks for your thoughts.
Jan
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I don't think I can figure out the cause of why NVDA doesn't consistently
speak automatically at the login prompt. I vaguely remember seeing this
behavior on occasion but I'm not sure I've encountered it much with Windows
10. Then again, as soon as I hear Windows 10's startup music I usually just
press ctrl+alt+delete and enter my PIN. It's possible that I do this before
NVDA has a chance to speak at the logon prompt but I do it so automatically
that I'm honestly not sure if I've interrupted it or if it sometimes fails
to speak.
As I'm writing this a thought did occur to me. The solution, assuming that
it solves your problem, may be more involved than you might like but here's
a theory.
Windows 10 has a feature which I believe is called fast startup. When fast
startup is enabled, your machine doesn't fully start when you switch on the
power the way it usually has with operating systems, such as Windows 7. If
this setting is enabled, when you shut down your machine it doesn't do a
full shutdown but instead goes into a mode, similar to hibernation. The
advantage of this is that, when you turn it on, the machine has fewer things
to start up and so the startup may be considerably faster. It's a bit like
going to bed wearing the outfit you plan to wear for work the next day. The
theory is that, when you wake up, you'll be totally dressed for work and so
there will be fewer things for you to do, meaning that the process of
getting ready for work would be much faster. I, of course, don't actually
recommend doing this but I'm just using it as an analogy. <grin>
So, it seems like a win win. Your computer boots up quicker, getting ready
for work much faster. Who wouldn't want this feature? However, if the system
has gotten corrupted during the shutdown process then the corruption remains
when the system restarts; you go to bed with wrinkled clothes and the
wrinkles are still there when you wake up the next morning. If your fast
startup has been enabled, there *may* have been a bit of wrinkles during the
shutdown process and perhaps those wrinkles are causing issues with NVDA.
It's just a theory and I may be totally off-base here.
So, how can you tell if fast startup is enabled? If you power on your
computer and don't hear the Windows startup sound, there's a good chance
fast start is enabled since that startup sound only plays when your computer
really, fully starts. With fast startup enabled, there's no startup chime.
By default, the startup sound is just like the one used in Windows 7,
although this can, of course, be changed or even eliminated if you're
someone who hates music when the computer starts up. If you hear a startup
sound when your computer boots up then fast startup has been disabled and
that's not the cause of your problem.
Even if fast startup is enabled, you can trigger a real startup by pressing
alt+F4 from your desktop and choosing the Restart option. This does not
disable fast startup permanently but it will force your computer to perform
a real, honest to goodness startup. Try that and see if NVDA speaks at the
logon prompt as you would expect.
I believe Windows 8 and 8.1 have a similar feature. Fast startup is not
available with Windows 7 or earlier versions.
Personally, I made a point to disable fast startup on my home computer. When
I shut down I want it to really shut down and not take the chance of waking
up with wrinkled clothes.
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On 6/13/2017 6:44 PM, Jan Lattuca wrote:
Hi, David. I recently learned about the feature you described in yourYou are invited to visit the moderator's Web site at WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
response; and, sometimes, when I'm trying to move back a heading, I do
hit Shift plus 2; so maybe that's what triggers the problem. When it
occurs, it occurs when I email, type a document in Word, etc.
And, yes, I did mean that sometimes NVDA doesn't speak at the login
screen. When I logged on this time, it didn't speak, so I hit Insert
plus T, and it then said "windows log-on" or whatever; so it didn't
speak on its own, but it did speak once prompted to. Just seems a bit
unpredictable.
Thanks, as always. I am amazed that you can always figure out the
cause of and solution to my problems.
Jan
On 6/13/17, David Goldfield <dgoldfield1211@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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The issues you're describing may be related to two separate NVDA
features.
First, I'll try to address the lack of feedback you're receiving, or not
receiving, when typing. NVDA has a "speak typed characters" toggle key,
which is insert+2, and this is the number 2 on the row of numbers and
not on the numeric keypad.
If you're not receiving feedback while typing, press insert+2 and you
should hear "speak typed characters, on."
Once you can verify that this feature is on, you should probably save
this to NVDA's default configuration by pressing insert+ctrl+C. If that
keystroke feels like you need three hands to press it, try it this way.
Press insert+N for the NVDA menu. Next, arrow down to "save
configuration" and press enter.
If that doesn't fix the problem, let me know. Specifically, I guess I'm
wondering if you're not hearing typing feedback only when in certain
programs. If so, which program are you not hearing speech while typing?
Regarding NVDA sometimes not speaking, are you referring to NVDA not
speaking on the login screen where you need to enter your password or
pin before the desktop loads?
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On 6/13/2017 1:42 PM, Jan Lattuca wrote:
Hi,, guys. I'm running into a little annoyance with NVDA that neverYou are invited to visit the moderator's Web site at
happened on my Windows XP machine. Out of the blue, and for no reason
that I can ascertain, NVDA stops talking when I type. It will still
read me what I've typed when I arrow through the document; but no
keystrokes are verbalized while I'm typing. I have to keep reverting
to the factory configuration to get the verbosity back. Any idea what
I may be doing to cause this problem, and how I can prevent it? Along
the same lines, NVDA sometimes talks to me immediately, but other
times I must log in first before it appears. HMMM.
I'd be grateful for any ideas any of you may have about this.
Peter, hope you can get your email messages problem worked out. I'd
offer helpful advice if I had any, but I don't. We just get mail on
our computer, nowhere else. Good luck.
Jan
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