Hi David and Jan,
I have been turning fast startup off for quite a few people since the creator’s
update. This has especially been problematic for Jaws 18 users. But I know some
NVDA users who also have had to turn off fast startup as well. Honestly I have
never seen the advantage of having it enabled. One frustrating thing about fast
startup is that both the Anniversary Update and the Creator’s Update enabled it
again after I turned it off. So I had to go back in on my system, and talk
others through turning it off on their systems multiple times.
Try turning fast startup off and you might just find out that the five extra
seconds it takes to start your computer each time is worth it
Merv
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Subject: [blind-philly-comp] Re: A problem I'm having with our new computer
Jan,
I don't think I can figure out the cause of why NVDA doesn't consistently speak
automatically at the login prompt. I vaguely remember seeing this behavior on
occasion but I'm not sure I've encountered it much with Windows 10. Then again,
as soon as I hear Windows 10's startup music I usually just press
ctrl+alt+delete and enter my PIN. It's possible that I do this before NVDA has
a chance to speak at the logon prompt but I do it so automatically that I'm
honestly not sure if I've interrupted it or if it sometimes fails to speak.
As I'm writing this a thought did occur to me. The solution, assuming that it
solves your problem, may be more involved than you might like but here's a
theory.
Windows 10 has a feature which I believe is called fast startup. When fast
startup is enabled, your machine doesn't fully start when you switch on the
power the way it usually has with operating systems, such as Windows 7. If this
setting is enabled, when you shut down your machine it doesn't do a full
shutdown but instead goes into a mode, similar to hibernation. The advantage of
this is that, when you turn it on, the machine has fewer things to start up and
so the startup may be considerably faster. It's a bit like going to bed wearing
the outfit you plan to wear for work the next day. The theory is that, when you
wake up, you'll be totally dressed for work and so there will be fewer things
for you to do, meaning that the process of getting ready for work would be much
faster. I, of course, don't actually recommend doing this but I'm just using it
as an analogy. <grin>
So, it seems like a win win. Your computer boots up quicker, getting ready for
work much faster. Who wouldn't want this feature? However, if the system has
gotten corrupted during the shutdown process then the corruption remains when
the system restarts; you go to bed with wrinkled clothes and the wrinkles are
still there when you wake up the next morning. If your fast startup has been
enabled, there *may* have been a bit of wrinkles during the shutdown process
and perhaps those wrinkles are causing issues with NVDA. It's just a theory and
I may be totally off-base here.
So, how can you tell if fast startup is enabled? If you power on your computer
and don't hear the Windows startup sound, there's a good chance fast start is
enabled since that startup sound only plays when your computer really, fully
starts. With fast startup enabled, there's no startup chime. By default, the
startup sound is just like the one used in Windows 7, although this can, of
course, be changed or even eliminated if you're someone who hates music when
the computer starts up. If you hear a startup sound when your computer boots up
then fast startup has been disabled and that's not the cause of your problem.
Even if fast startup is enabled, you can trigger a real startup by pressing
alt+F4 from your desktop and choosing the Restart option. This does not disable
fast startup permanently but it will force your computer to perform a real,
honest to goodness startup. Try that and see if NVDA speaks at the logon prompt
as you would expect.
I believe Windows 8 and 8.1 have a similar feature. Fast startup is not
available with Windows 7 or earlier versions.
Personally, I made a point to disable fast startup on my home computer. When I
shut down I want it to really shut down and not take the chance of waking up
with wrinkled clothes.
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site
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On 6/13/2017 6:44 PM, Jan Lattuca wrote:
Hi, David. I recently learned about the feature you described in your
response; and, sometimes, when I'm trying to move back a heading, I do
hit Shift plus 2; so maybe that's what triggers the problem. When it
occurs, it occurs when I email, type a document in Word, etc.
And, yes, I did mean that sometimes NVDA doesn't speak at the login
screen. When I logged on this time, it didn't speak, so I hit Insert
plus T, and it then said "windows log-on" or whatever; so it didn't
speak on its own, but it did speak once prompted to. Just seems a bit
unpredictable.
Thanks, as always. I am amazed that you can always figure out the
cause of and solution to my problems.
Jan
On 6/13/17, David Goldfield <mailto:dgoldfield1211@xxxxxxxxx>
<dgoldfield1211@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Jan.
The issues you're describing may be related to two separate NVDA features.
First, I'll try to address the lack of feedback you're receiving, or not
receiving, when typing. NVDA has a "speak typed characters" toggle key,
which is insert+2, and this is the number 2 on the row of numbers and
not on the numeric keypad.
If you're not receiving feedback while typing, press insert+2 and you
should hear "speak typed characters, on."
Once you can verify that this feature is on, you should probably save
this to NVDA's default configuration by pressing insert+ctrl+C. If that
keystroke feels like you need three hands to press it, try it this way.
Press insert+N for the NVDA menu. Next, arrow down to "save
configuration" and press enter.
If that doesn't fix the problem, let me know. Specifically, I guess I'm
wondering if you're not hearing typing feedback only when in certain
programs. If so, which program are you not hearing speech while typing?
Regarding NVDA sometimes not speaking, are you referring to NVDA not
speaking on the login screen where you need to enter your password or
pin before the desktop loads?
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my
Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info <http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 6/13/2017 1:42 PM, Jan Lattuca wrote:
Hi,, guys. I'm running into a little annoyance with NVDA that never
happened on my Windows XP machine. Out of the blue, and for no reason
that I can ascertain, NVDA stops talking when I type. It will still
read me what I've typed when I arrow through the document; but no
keystrokes are verbalized while I'm typing. I have to keep reverting
to the factory configuration to get the verbosity back. Any idea what
I may be doing to cause this problem, and how I can prevent it? Along
the same lines, NVDA sometimes talks to me immediately, but other
times I must log in first before it appears. HMMM.
I'd be grateful for any ideas any of you may have about this.
Peter, hope you can get your email messages problem worked out. I'd
offer helpful advice if I had any, but I don't. We just get mail on
our computer, nowhere else. Good luck.
Jan
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