And there is, in factd, proof of Israel's collusion with the Trump campaign to
get him elected, not Russia's.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Hachey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:42 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump threatens severe punishment if Saudis
ordered killing of journalist Khashoggi
Hi Mostafa,
What really gets me is that we seem to have a double standard for dealing with
nations who violate human rights. Actually, it might be a triple standard.
Seems Israel gets the best treatment as they continually violate the rights of
Palestinians while we give them weapons and run interference for them in
international organizations such as the UN.
Saudi Arabia seems to be a second class player as we sometimes complain about
their violations, but we continue to sell our weapons to them and play nice
with the Saudi royal family.
Then there are nations like Iran which come in for the harshest treatment from
the United States.
I'd rather see us stick to a moral principle here, but then again the US also
behaves badly especially when innocent people get killed by American bombs.
Bob Hachey
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mostafa
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:06 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump threatens severe punishment if Saudis
ordered killing of journalist Khashoggi
Hello Miriam and Bob, while I am convinced of what you both said about the
Saudi royal family being probably involved in the disappearance of Jamal
Khashoggi, we still don't know, is he killed? The matter, again, has been used
by western media for political purposes and that has disappointed me. In the
west, human rights are divided according to private interest. If fending for
human rights will serve us, we would use it. If it doesn't, we shall dismiss it.
On 10/14/18, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mostafa,
Far be it from me to defend nasty Mr. Trump. But your suggestion to
cut out Trump's tongue sounds very much like what the Saudi royal
family does to criminals and all sorts of folks they see as enemies.
Frankly, the US, IMHO, has been badly played by the Saudi royal family
for a very long time. How the heck is it that we sell and give weapons
to an entity that funds Al Qaeda and 19 of whose citizens hijacked
planes and bombed the World Trade Centter and the Pentagon on 911. I
don't much trust Iran, but I'll trust them over the Saudi royal family
every day of the week.
BBob Hachey
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mostafa
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:14 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [blind-democracy] Trump threatens severe punishment if Saudis
ordered killing of journalist Khashoggi
Donald Trump has said the US will inflict "severe punishment" on Saudi
Arabia if the kingdom is found to be responsible for the death of
journalist Jamal Khashoggi. He said he would be "very upset and angry
if that were the case", but ruled out halting big military contracts.
Mr Khashoggi, a critic of the Saudi government, vanished on October
the second after visiting its consulate in Istanbul. Saudi Arabia
dismissed allegations that it ordered his killing as "lies". The
interior minister said on Friday that the kingdom was keen to uncover
"the whole truth", stressing reports "about orders to kill" are
"baseless". A Turkish security source has told the BBC that officials
had audio and video evidence proving Mr Khashoggi, who writes for the
Washington Post, was murdered inside the consulate. The country's
Foreign Minister, Mevut Cavusoglu, said Saudi Arabia was not yet
co-operating with the investigation. In the last few days, this
headline has dominated top newsstories. I must ask, what is the
consistent affiliation between mr Khashoggi's disappearance and his
alleged murder by the Saudi government? Moreover, if Turkish officials
has crucial evidence that are sufficient to convict Saudis, why
wouldn't they release them? Strangely, what's this laudatory rhetoric
which somewhat reflects unexpected propitiation between Turkey and the
US? Could that be somehow linked with the release of US pastor Andrew
Brunson? In addition, I am enormously incensed at Trump's intolerably
belligerent rhetoric. Who Does This Guy Think He Is? I sternly demand
the full cut off of his damnable tongue!. Is this pig the world's
police? He has interfered too much into people's affairs. If we theoretically
believe the murder claim, we must dig in for the motive.
Could have he has committed treachery? What was the reason of his
visit to Turkey? Trump and other western officials impeach Saudis
without decisive evidence. Perhaps the west is attempting to retaliate
from Saudi because it relatively prospered in imposing economic
sanctions on Canada for interfering in Saudi's domestic affairs last
August? This story is crucial and I closely follow its updates. I base
my assertion that the US and the west in general which somehow enacts
the world's police of human rights etc, itself has explicitly violated
human rights principles. Instances are numerous. If we look at the
issue of detained children in the US, the total silence and deliberate
negligence over Israel's perennially inhumane atrocities committed
against Palestinian innocent civilians, and many are just legion to
count. Therefore, human rights couldn't be unilateral. The US justifies when
it needs the explicit breach of human rights fundamentals.
Why other countries wouldn't have this option? What's this? The US
acts as the world's boss. For me, that's totally unacceptable and this
is what I meant by the mama America post. This policy of nefarious
interference is intemperately despicable. In terms of Yemen war, if
the west isn't so pleased with Saudi role in this, why would it
subsidise its military? I would seriously ordain the total cut off of
Trump's lousy tongue, if I have the authority to do so. This hellion
is extremely repellant and I unprecedentedly despise him.
