Okay, I'll explain it again. It seems like I have explained this many,
many times now. A socialist is one who advocates for the public
ownership and democratic control of the means of production. This is the
minimum to be a socialist. It does not mention any ideas of how this
state of affairs might be achieved. It is just the most basic of
definitions of socialism. One who does not advocate for that state of
affairs is not a socialist and if he calls himself a socialist he is
playing the same game that the right-wingers who call Obama, Clinton or
Biden socialists are playing. Among capitalist ideologues there are
varieties too. One can be a capitalist ideologue by advocating blatantly
for capitalism or one may be a capitalist ideologue just by accepting it
and never even considering an alternative. Either way one is either
promoting or accepting the rule of the capitalist class which is the
bourgeoisie. Bourgeois liberals are most often in charge of granting
concessions when the bourgeoisie deem it necessary in order to pacify
attempts by the masses to relieve their own plight. Bourgeois liberals
seem to think they can make capitalism somehow nicer and that will solve
all the problems that capitalism causes. It does not even enter their
minds that capitalism is an exploitative system. It does not enter their
minds that we might be better off without capitalism. It is their
acceptance of the rule of the bourgeoisie that makes them ideologically
bourgeois. This describes Bernie Sanders perfectly. He has never
advocated in the slightest bit that the majority of the people, the
workers, should control the means of production and the economy. He does
claim to admire Eugene Debs, but Eugene Debs's politics were radically
at odds with any of the politics that Bernie Sanders has ever promoted.
If Debs was alive now he would be declaring Bernie Sanders an enemy of
his class. Now, at your request I have explained this again. Why is it
that I get the feeling that the next time I mention bourgeois liberals
you will repeat the same thing and say that I am just using the term as
an insult or demeaning phrase as if I have never explained what a
bourgeois liberal is before?
On 7/16/2016 3:26 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
That's because, in my view, you are stereotyping everyone who isn't a Marxist. When you
call someone a "bourgeois liberal", it is as if you are using a dirty word to
describe them, as if there is no difference among people who consider themselves to be
Liberals or Progressives, and as if whatever position they take, they have no moral
sstanding. It's demeaning. If you meant something different by your comment, perhaps you
can explain what it was.
Miriam
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I didn't even think he was selling out. He has never been anything but a
bourgeois liberal anyway.
On 7/16/2016 10:49 AM, Charles Crawford wrote:
Hi Alice, Miriam, Roger, and all,
I listened to the Sanders endorsement of Clinton and while the
idealistic side of me was saying he was selling out, the practical side of me
acknowledged he did a really good endorsement of Hilary and most importantly,
she stands the best chance of defeating Trump. I fully know that there are
those who will say that my political calculus is too cynical and perhaps it is,
but I just cannot stomach the idea of Trump and I think Sanders has had a
positive effect on the Democratic Party.
Short and not so sweet, but that is how I see it.
Charlie Crawford.
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman Humel
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:19 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sanders endorses Clinton: Laws of
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that’s one thing that never seems to change…all those who have
even a glimmer of hope find themselves bitterly disappointed...
On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
One of the articles I posted last night said it all. Basically, Sanders
did not follow through on his promise to take the fight to the convention. Had
he not endorsed Clinton, he might have had leverage to get a better deal on the
platform. He might have asked about the uncounted California votes. He might
have made the case to super delegates that he could get more votes than Clinton
in order to keep the Presidency out of Trump's hands. But he caved to pressure.
I know that most probably, had he done that and actually won the presidency,
not much would have changed. But all of those young people who had faith that
they could have an impact, that they can change the system, would not have been
so bitterly disappointed. Only the most motivated and dedicated will keep
fighting for change now.
Miriam
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Sanders endorses Clinton: Laws of political physics confirmed
/ 13 hours ago
June 2016 Clinton-Bernie
By JEFF MACKLER
— Jeff Mackler is the Socialist Action candidate for U.S. president
$33+ million and one year later, Bernie Sanders’ orchestrated
“political revolution” fell back to earth with a dull but expected and pitiful
thump, as he endorsed Wall Street’s corporate-funded Hillary Clinton with a
resounding “The future will be shaped more on November 8 [Election Day] than by
any event in the world.”
Those who believed that Sanders was never a conscious sheepherder for
the ever-discredited Democrats will now march with him to the beat of the
“lesser evil” Clinton drum, even as she pledges to find common ground with her
Republican colleagues.
Those who are awakening to the inherent horrors of capitalism’s racist,
sexist, warmongering twin corporate duopoly will not be surprised. For them,
the future will be shaped not by those who profit from climate catastrophe and
endless wars against poor and working people abroad and at home, but by the
millions who take their lives into their own hands and struggle on every front
for humanity’s cause and for the socialist future.
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