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Subject: Re:
I wonder if you ever read this in Ezekiel:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23
On 7/29/17, Donald Moore <don.moore48@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Reading the last chapters of Ezekiel, we can see this religion/cult
prophesied so many centuries before the fact. We also read in
Revelations what the End Times bring, and we can see people treating
us to that religion and the merger Chrislam, and we see the trend. We
also note how, or why people convert. It's because they're more
worried about their earthly life than their Heavenly soul. I was
pretty impressed though a couple of months ago when proponents of the
'religion of peace' killed a group of Christians after first demanding
they convert. The last guy in the line apparently hadn't quite made
the decision to become a Christian, but when he saw their faith, he chose
death rather than acquiescence in such obvious evil!
I hope when tried that I too have the faith, and, now we know why it
was that in the end, Christ told us to protect ourselves from such
evil as well as asking His protection.
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Subject:
I see a number of flat statements of belief here, but I don't see any
reasons for believing. Do you have any reasons for believing these
statements? By the way, by reason I mean something that actually has
something to do with it being true, that is, evidence.
On 7/29/2017 2:21 PM, Bob Evans wrote:
Islam in essence, composed and edited by Bob Evans, a certified
Muslim theologian.
Despite stereotype, Islam is incomparably the fastest growing
religion in the world. There are Arab Muslims, Asian Muslims, Hindu
Muslims, Chinese Muslims, Latino Muslims, European and American
Muslims. According to a study in 2015, Islam has 1.8 billion
adherents, making up about 24% of the world population, most of them
aren’t Arab. Among every five people is one Muslim, which might be
enough reason to learn about Islam.
Objects of belief
Islam is essentially based on tenets of belief and pillars of act. In
this edition, we will InshAllah talk about objects of belief.
Firstly, the belief in Allah. Muslims believe that Allah is uniquely
One. He has no associates nor incarnates. He glory be to Him is
unambiguously Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. He doesn’t need
His creation whilst we wholly need His providential grace. Secondly,
the belief in angels. Muslims believe in angels as Allah’s invariant
servants. They are made from light, contrived to infinitely obey.
They are unseen to humans unless with Allah’s Will as when He sends
angels to His prophets to convey Allah’s message. Gabriel, peace be
upon him is the angel devoted to convey divine revelation to prophets and
apostles.
Thirdly, the belief in messengers. Muslims believe in a mighty chain
of honourable prophets and messengers. They start with Adam and they
end up with prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon them. Islam
considers deriding any of those mighty prophets and messengers an act
of blasphemy. Allah sent them with divine sentiment to exemplify the
model of guidance for humanity. Allah affirmed their proclamation
with evidence and miracles. As Muslims, we don’t make any distinction
between them nor we relate disgraceful chronicles about them.
Fourthly, the belief in scriptures. Allah sent down with those noble
messengers set of sacred scriptures to become people’s creed and
source of legislation. Muslims believe in the Torah that was given to
Moses, the Psalms given to David, the Gospel given to Jesus and, the
Koran given to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them. Whilst we
believe that the current form of either the Torah or the Gospel has
been altered, we firmly believe in what was initially revealed. This
is why, it’s blasphemous to deliberately desecrate the Bible or take
it to the bathroom for instance, because it may probably contain one
single letter from what was initially revealed. However, the Torah
and the Gospel were meant to be specified for a period of time whilst
the Koran is meant to be everlasting. The Koran contains the creed of
Jews and Christians and, it infinitely appends its jurisdiction. At
the same time, it is a watcher over it. It could be fairly compared
to the quality control agent. Muslims never believed in different
religions, it has constantly been one religion resembled in various creeds.
Fifthly, the belief in the Day of Judgement or the Day of
Resurrection. This temporal life will soon or later be deceased. This
life hasn’t been meant for closure. It has been meant for trial. We
surely will rise from dead to be in the divine presence for account.
This means that someone may infinitely remain in either heaven or
hell. Allah is uniquely Just and thus, He glory be to Him wouldn’t
sanction someone for other people sins. This demonstratively
fallacious notion of inconsistent sacrifice for mass redemption
doesn’t exist in Islam. No one is held accountable for what others
have done. Sixthly and ultimately, the belief in preordination
whether it’s good in our eyes evil in Allah’s Knowledge or it’s evil
in our eyes, good in Allah’s knowledge. In Islamic monotheistic
doctrine, Allah has predetermined everything including, where someone
will infinitely reside. As we just agreed, He glory be to Him is
uniquely Just and Kind. He created us and He blessed us with His
unrivalled care to test whether we’ll be grateful or ungrateful.
Therefore, He will never suppress anyone. He doesn’t need to commit
oppression, He is the Creator anyway. Furthermore, the Muslim ought
to constantly be thankful to His Lord. Whether something joyful or
deplorable happened, the Muslim ought to be thankful because he
certainly doesn’t know what’s good and what’s evil for him. Good and
evil are both Allah’s creation, as also death and life are His
creation. Therefore, we do not have the problem of Theodicy in Islam.
In Islam, this life is of adversity not of blissfulness. Islam
doesn’t stand helpless attempting to explain the trouble of agony.
Predicaments in Islam are destined for trying. Therefore, true
believers ought to counter them with persistent forbearance.
Christianity has relatively spectacular answers for the misconception
of suffering. It portrays good and evil as two infringing forces.
There is the good force of God versus the evil one of the devil,
which is taught to be an adversary to the divine. This is a twisted
depiction. Good and evil, even mischievous figures are all God’s creation.
They couldn’t be likened to Him.
Christianity has this endeavour problem of personifying the divine.
Therefore, it constantly compares him to his creation which is
incorrect. Even when Lucifer disobeyed Allah in His Providential
presence, he could have not presumed himself equal to his Creator. I
intended to proselytize with sending this. Islam has been subjected
to tremendous prejudice. It is through the excessive use of epidemic
Islamophobia in American media, Islam has been gravely distorted. In
the subsequent segment, I will briefly respond to some misconception
that a respectable pastor has posed. Christianity doesn’t compel
people to refrain from committing sin whilst in Islam, people are
threatened with fright of receiving strict penalties. With all
respect to his perspective, lapidation for adultery is mentioned in
what they call the Old Testament. You may cite Leviticus twenty ten for that.
They knew it exists in their scripture be that as it may, it is
suspended for whatever pathetic justification they give. So,
Christianity doesn’t base its tenets on enforcing consignment. It
leaves people for their own desire. As for the example you give of a
child smashing my window and me taking money from his father, this
is plain dissimulation. A child doesn’t have the money. However, his
father will punish him as a result of smashing the window. He may
deduct the amount of what he paid to the window’s owner from the
child’s regular pocket money. You better answer this, duplicitous
Jacob. If a man and a woman committed adultery, could we possibly
hold their child accountable for what they have done? And, if that
child committed murder, will we still hold his father accountable?
Who shall be sentenced of life presence in prison or execution in some legal
systems? Lastly, I have seen throughout the few past years, many
Muslims converting to Christianity and even irreligiousness either as
Agnostics or Atheists. So, who are they? They are those who have the
illusion of western democracy. They greatly suffer from manipulation
and civil defeatism. Consequently, they attempt to imitate whom they
assume them be somewhat ethnically superior. They typically like to
do what westerns do. They even take dogs as pets because this is what
many westerns would opt. Apart from sophisticated technological
development, western civilisation is basically ruined to me. It
weighs cipher to me. This term has been transliterated from Arabic
and later, it has been translated to zero. I have no problem with
people from other traditions unless they attempt to twist or demonise
my entity. I have seen fibbers and chisellers appearing in American
Protestant broadcasting networks to basically vociferate filth and
demonise Muslims. They have destined to boost for war based heritage.
Whether they call themselves Israelis, Christians, allegedly ex
Muslims, Atheists or Agnostics, they perfectly befit in one deplorable
basket.
America has reached its peak of touching edge and it’s nearly about
to completely collapse. Despite its empty slogans of liberty and
human equality, it is being gravely fractioned by the will of its own
people. Some have asked why am I calling myself Bob Evans? I chose
this name when I worked at a local call centre which has its client
based in America. We represented Medicare and served senior citizens
who have health insurance there. I later learnt it’s a name of a
chain based restaurant in the States. I maintain that name for couple
of major reasons. First, I have been insulted by some discourteous
individuals in the States as we communicate and I decline my real
name to be involved with this. Second, I wanted to prove my tolerance
with western names. Therefore, I call myself Bob. But, I still am
myself. I don’t mind eating food that has originated there or wearing
clothe that has been made there as long as it doesn’t contravene with
my religious and social convictions. But, I totally decline to have
imported foreign thoughts indoctrinating neither my mind nor way of
life. Whether these are religious or philosophical thoughts, they are
basically unwished. The only reason I talked about Islam at the
beginning of this, is to refute the typically exhibited demented
assumption about it. Moreover, American education about Islam is
filled with counterfeit and imbecilic notions. I have glanced at some
of the material they teach about Islam there, what on earth is this?
I have been taken aback of what I read. On the other end of the
spectrum, in either Britain or Canada, they have somewhat moderately
esteemable edification about other traditions and particularly Islam.
I maintain satisfactory acquaintance with decent individuals in the
States. I just am attempting to set parameters of obliged mutual
deference straight. I just wanted to represent myself as I just am.
Right wing camp has waged a mental combat against us in the States
and even prior to Trump’s era. Therefore, it is my pertinacious
disposal which aims to robustly fend for my sentiment. The United
States proved its vast majority to be less cooperative. Consequently,
after they brought this maledict archfiend to oval office, knowing
that he is intemperately incompetent, we have got to substantially
react. It is time to critically consider significant implementation of
financial
ostracise to basically all American business enterprises.
Ethnocentrism and xenophobia have steadily bristled in the States
after Trump took charge. The United States capitol is a major source
for disseminating detriment. Therefore, to utterly obviate this
unnecessary hassle, the United States must be exigently boycotted on
a rather broader scale. I urge Muslims not to visit the States until
they develop a sufficient tendency to honour guests. If any community
looked different to their Caucasian supremacy, they commence to
speak discreditably about it. I do not exaggerate, I have heard Trump
spoke so xenophobically to his damnable rallies be that as it may,
they Cordially applauded to his detestable rhetoric. The world must
get stronger in the face of this major threat. The problem is not
Donald Trump, the problem are the ones who brought him to oval office.
Despite his major incompetencies, he is staggeringly seconded by
southern fundamentalist evangelists. As for Jacob’s of Michigan,
Egypt’s economy is basically based on capitalistic tenets, greed and
private ownership exorbitance. Ah by the way, Egypt’s government
doesn’t enforce Shariah, thanks to seculars and coup boosters. I must
ask you here, with what kind of Shariah Christians govern their
affairs? Is God pleased with you manipulated by secularism? If it
was a Judeo Christian coalition against Muslims, you would have
bombed those who reside there. Hmm, I am not too sure. You are not
stupid to do so. However, your conspiratorial schemes are more
vicious than that. There is something called indoctrination,
manipulation and imperialism. As Las Vegas is popular for Gambling,
evangelists are popular for the latter. They are good at practicing
pretension until they gradually brainwash lay and disinformed
Muslims. I am absolutely convinced that those people hate us to an
unimaginable extent, even if they attempt to pretend otherwise. I
have numerous substantiations for that. As for sam sham or sham sam,
he is a perfect instance for civil defeatism. How is Kuwait? Yes,
with this I meant to bait. He is a mere bootlick to those Americans,
poor little sham eh? If you ever changed your opinion and wanted to
learn something about Arabic’s elementary, just keep me notified. I
urge you to preposterously spread your hatred and prejudice until you
notice that nothing but the decisive truth shall prevail. As for
Christology devotion, when I see that your faith teaches you to
adhere proper social conduct, I may give it some thought. As for
mister Carl, your convictions are of a prevalent phenomenon in the
western world. Faith inaction leads to where Carl now is. However,
faith in action may possibely lead to where I am. I say may because
everyone’s sincerity about religion is subjected to relatively vary.
Carl is a confident Agnostic from Washington. A while ago, we deeply
conversed about faith and philosophically related perspectives.
Carl’s choice to abandon faith is quite common in these societies. To
western people, religion doesn’t represent a major constituent. It
has no eminent priority in their daily lives. Even those who go to
Church, religion is insoluble to them. Western culture has disposed
sacredness and embraced relativism. They are sank in terrestrial
pursuits ever since. Do you recall when the Danish cartoonist drew
defamatory caricature of the prophet peace and blessings be upon
him, Muslims were globally outraged. Westerns didn’t fathom why were
we so offended. Subsequently, a committee of prominent Muslim
scholars accompanied with edified youth were delegated to clarify the
matter to Danish people. They travelled to Danmark to explain to
people there who prophet Muhammad is for us. I remember at that time
my stiff opposition to their proposal. I said to some of them, your
intent is good and your initiative is encouraging but, you are
missing a crucial factor. Religion in general is not really
significant to western societies. Please, do not waste your time,
they will never get your point. Anyhow, they went and the event has
been covered well, by only Islamic television channels. Next day,
Danish press returned to diss Islam. They published denigrating
entries and portraits. I hope we as Muslims would understand the
terrific difference between how do we look at religion versus how do
they look at religion. I say this with total conviction, there is no
least respect for religion in western culture. Christians deify Jesus
yet at the same time, westerns released a satiric film portraying him
a homosexual. Therefore, I am not appalled to see either Atheism or
Agnosticism widening among western people. As for our youth, this way
of thinking doesn’t really affect but those who are somewhat
occidentalised, they attempt to imitate westerns in just everything.
I decline the two extremes. I decline the position that extrapolates
and destines all westerns to hell. At the same time, I decline to
inadvertently evaporate in western culture. I am with positive
inclusion, mutual deference and collaboration. I believe this is a
moderate view of what is the proper manner to communicate with the
western world. Regarding their view of religion, it won’t ever change
and we shouldn’t expect any respect. How on earth they will respect
our religion if they failed to respect their own? With this
rhetorical question, I am pleased to conclude my thorough editorial.
I will now leave my combined list of recipients to interact with one
another. I will refrain from responding to stridence or irony. I follow all
threads nevertheless, I only respond to what deserves attention.
Thank you for reading, Bob Evans.
