First, his denial of god was flawed in the first place. He accepted
certain concepts of god and showed that those concepts were not
compatible with the universe as it is. He neglected to acknowledge the
fact that when you are making something up you can make it up in any way
you want. That is what theists perpetually do. Each has a bit of a
different concept of god from one theist to another and from one
religion or sect of a religion to another. Furthermore, it is clear that
when a theist is confronted with undeniable facts they either deny it
anyway or else adjust their concept of god to accommodate the facts.
Second, when this man changed from an atheist into a theist his grasp of
logic did not become any better, His whole argument for the god
proposition is based on the complexity of the universe and on the
complexity of DNA and its effects in particular. So what? He obviously
knows nothing about biology and as a person who holds a degree in
biology that is abundantly clear. the complexity of DNA has been well
explained in a materialist conception and he is obviously unaware of
those explanations. As for the universe as a whole, its entire
complexity has not yet been completely explained, but progress is being
made by physicists and cosmogenists year by year. But suppose such
explanations were not being discovered. So what? What does that have to
do with the existence of an invisible man in the sky that is a
megalomaniac who demands to be worshiped? If such a being actually does
exist it certainly does not deserve to be worshiped with an attitude
like that. Nevertheless, obnoxious attitude or not that has nothing to
do with its existence either. The fact that we may not understand some
things does not automatically mean supernatural explanation. It only
means that we don't know. So the universe is complex. That has nothing
to do with whether a god exists or not. We don't understand everything
about the universe. That has nothing to do with whether there is a god
or not. Again, can you come up with a reason for believing in the god
proposition? By reason I mean something that actually has something to
do with it being true.
On 7/29/2017 4:21 PM, Bob Evans wrote:
Okay, I grateful that the discussion has taken a positive form. What
reason made me believe what I believe? Islam is the only religion on
earth that asks its follower to study and it has no taboo. As for the
belief in the unseen as of angels and so on, these are the objects of
belief. But, before we believe them, we must ask the vital question,
is this universe perfectly design? Yes or no? If it's a yes, then who
made it? Someone must be behind the make of this perfect design.
Antoney Flew was a notable British philosopher. He spent fifty years
promoting for the none existence of the divine. He wrote many
textbooks advancing for Atheism. Recently before he died, he said
this:
See this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbKsIAib5YM
Needless to say, professor Flew based his conversion from Atheism to
believe in God on essentially scientific development.
Bob
On 7/29/17, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I do not choose to not believe and I do not choose to believe anything.
In fact, I completely fail to understand how anyone can possibly just
choose a belief and then go ahead and believe it. There must be
something to show that the belief is true. That is why I ask for a
reason to believe. A reason is something that has to do with it being
true Without anything to indicate that the belief is true the belief is
a meaningless belief. You may as well just make up any belief out of the
infinity of beliefs available and claim to believe it. You could just
claim that unicorns from Jupiter are galloping across the Sahara desert
and when asked why you believe this you would say I just believe it.
Sorry, but a flat claim of belief is not sufficient to be the least bit
credible. Again, I ask you what reason or reasons do you have for
believing this list of beliefs. If you cannot provide an answer that
actually has something to do with it being true then it is as credible
as that claim of the galloping unicorns.
On 7/29/2017 3:36 PM, Bob Evans wrote:
Without philosophising, each and every structure has got to have a
maker, a designer. This vastly expanding and perfectly designed
universe couldn't logically be the production of mere fortuity. As for
you, why did you choose to not believe? Because you do not want
something to rule how you live. You want to do whatever you want
whenever you want. This is in a not shall, is the base of your
conviction. The theory of relativism teaches that all criteria of
judgment are relative to the individuals and situations involved.
Finally, if you intend to interact further, put a relevant subject
line.
Bob
On 7/29/17, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I see a number of flat statements of belief here, but I don't see any
reasons for believing. Do you have any reasons for believing these
statements? By the way, by reason I mean something that actually has
something to do with it being true, that is, evidence.
On 7/29/2017 2:21 PM, Bob Evans wrote:
Islam in essence, composed and edited by Bob Evans, a certified Muslim
theologian.
Despite stereotype, Islam is incomparably the fastest growing
religion in the world. There are Arab Muslims, Asian Muslims, Hindu
Muslims, Chinese Muslims, Latino Muslims, European and American
Muslims. According to a study in 2015, Islam has 1.8 billion
adherents, making up about 24% of the world population, most of them
aren’t Arab. Among every five people is one Muslim, which might be
enough reason to learn about Islam.
Objects of belief
Islam is essentially based on tenets of belief and pillars of act. In
this edition, we will InshAllah talk about objects of belief. Firstly,
the belief in Allah. Muslims believe that Allah is uniquely One. He
has no associates nor incarnates. He glory be to Him is unambiguously
Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. He doesn’t need His creation
whilst we wholly need His providential grace. Secondly, the belief in
angels. Muslims believe in angels as Allah’s invariant servants. They
are made from light, contrived to infinitely obey. They are unseen to
humans unless with Allah’s Will as when He sends angels to His
prophets to convey Allah’s message. Gabriel, peace be upon him is the
angel devoted to convey divine revelation to prophets and apostles.
Thirdly, the belief in messengers. Muslims believe in a mighty chain
of honourable prophets and messengers. They start with Adam and they
end up with prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon them. Islam
considers deriding any of those mighty prophets and messengers an act
of blasphemy. Allah sent them with divine sentiment to exemplify the
model of guidance for humanity. Allah affirmed their proclamation with
evidence and miracles. As Muslims, we don’t make any distinction
between them nor we relate disgraceful chronicles about them.
Fourthly, the belief in scriptures. Allah sent down with those noble
messengers set of sacred scriptures to become people’s creed and
source of legislation. Muslims believe in the Torah that was given to
Moses, the Psalms given to David, the Gospel given to Jesus and, the
Koran given to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them. Whilst we
believe that the current form of either the Torah or the Gospel has
been altered, we firmly believe in what was initially revealed. This
is why, it’s blasphemous to deliberately desecrate the Bible or take
it to the bathroom for instance, because it may probably contain one
single letter from what was initially revealed. However, the Torah and
the Gospel were meant to be specified for a period of time whilst the
Koran is meant to be everlasting. The Koran contains the creed of Jews
and Christians and, it infinitely appends its jurisdiction. At the
same time, it is a watcher over it. It could be fairly compared to the
quality control agent. Muslims never believed in different religions,
it has constantly been one religion resembled in various creeds.
Fifthly, the belief in the Day of Judgement or the Day of
Resurrection. This temporal life will soon or later be deceased. This
life hasn’t been meant for closure. It has been meant for trial. We
surely will rise from dead to be in the divine presence for account.
This means that someone may infinitely remain in either heaven or
hell. Allah is uniquely Just and thus, He glory be to Him wouldn’t
sanction someone for other people sins. This demonstratively
fallacious notion of inconsistent sacrifice for mass redemption
doesn’t exist in Islam. No one is held accountable for what others
have done. Sixthly and ultimately, the belief in preordination whether
it’s good in our eyes evil in Allah’s Knowledge or it’s evil in our
eyes, good in Allah’s knowledge. In Islamic monotheistic doctrine,
Allah has predetermined everything including, where someone will
infinitely reside. As we just agreed, He glory be to Him is uniquely
Just and Kind. He created us and He blessed us with His unrivalled
care to test whether we’ll be grateful or ungrateful. Therefore, He
will never suppress anyone. He doesn’t need to commit oppression, He
is the Creator anyway. Furthermore, the Muslim ought to constantly be
thankful to His Lord. Whether something joyful or deplorable happened,
the Muslim ought to be thankful because he certainly doesn’t know
what’s good and what’s evil for him. Good and evil are both Allah’s
creation, as also death and life are His creation. Therefore, we do
not have the problem of Theodicy in Islam. In Islam, this life is of
adversity not of blissfulness. Islam doesn’t stand helpless attempting
to explain the trouble of agony. Predicaments in Islam are destined
for trying. Therefore, true believers ought to counter them with
persistent forbearance. Christianity has relatively spectacular
answers for the misconception of suffering. It portrays good and evil
as two infringing forces. There is the good force of God versus the
evil one of the devil, which is taught to be an adversary to the
divine. This is a twisted depiction. Good and evil, even mischievous
figures are all God’s creation. They couldn’t be likened to Him.
Christianity has this endeavour problem of personifying the divine.
Therefore, it constantly compares him to his creation which is
incorrect. Even when Lucifer disobeyed Allah in His Providential
presence, he could have not presumed himself equal to his Creator. I
intended to proselytize with sending this. Islam has been subjected to
tremendous prejudice. It is through the excessive use of epidemic
Islamophobia in American media, Islam has been gravely distorted. In
the subsequent segment, I will briefly respond to some misconception
that a respectable pastor has posed. Christianity doesn’t compel
people to refrain from committing sin whilst in Islam, people are
threatened with fright of receiving strict penalties. With all respect
to his perspective, lapidation for adultery is mentioned in what they
call the Old Testament. You may cite Leviticus twenty ten for that.
They knew it exists in their scripture be that as it may, it is
suspended for whatever pathetic justification they give. So,
Christianity doesn’t base its tenets on enforcing consignment. It
leaves people for their own desire. As for the example you give of a
child smashing my window and me taking money from his father, this is
plain dissimulation. A child doesn’t have the money. However, his
father will punish him as a result of smashing the window. He may
deduct the amount of what he paid to the window’s owner from the
child’s regular pocket money. You better answer this, duplicitous
Jacob. If a man and a woman committed adultery, could we possibly hold
their child accountable for what they have done? And, if that child
committed murder, will we still hold his father accountable? Who shall
be sentenced of life presence in prison or execution in some legal
systems? Lastly, I have seen throughout the few past years, many
Muslims converting to Christianity and even irreligiousness either as
Agnostics or Atheists. So, who are they? They are those who have the
illusion of western democracy. They greatly suffer from manipulation
and civil defeatism. Consequently, they attempt to imitate whom they
assume them be somewhat ethnically superior. They typically like to do
what westerns do. They even take dogs as pets because this is what
many westerns would opt. Apart from sophisticated technological
development, western civilisation is basically ruined to me. It weighs
cipher to me. This term has been transliterated from Arabic and later,
it has been translated to zero. I have no problem with people from
other traditions unless they attempt to twist or demonise my entity. I
have seen fibbers and chisellers appearing in American Protestant
broadcasting networks to basically vociferate filth and demonise
Muslims. They have destined to boost for war based heritage. Whether
they call themselves Israelis, Christians, allegedly ex Muslims,
Atheists or Agnostics, they perfectly befit in one deplorable basket.
America has reached its peak of touching edge and it’s nearly about to
completely collapse. Despite its empty slogans of liberty and human
equality, it is being gravely fractioned by the will of its own
people. Some have asked why am I calling myself Bob Evans? I chose
this name when I worked at a local call centre which has its client
based in America. We represented Medicare and served senior citizens
who have health insurance there. I later learnt it’s a name of a chain
based restaurant in the States. I maintain that name for couple of
major reasons. First, I have been insulted by some discourteous
individuals in the States as we communicate and I decline my real name
to be involved with this. Second, I wanted to prove my tolerance with
western names. Therefore, I call myself Bob. But, I still am myself. I
don’t mind eating food that has originated there or wearing clothe
that has been made there as long as it doesn’t contravene with my
religious and social convictions. But, I totally decline to have
imported foreign thoughts indoctrinating neither my mind nor way of
life. Whether these are religious or philosophical thoughts, they are
basically unwished. The only reason I talked about Islam at the
beginning of this, is to refute the typically exhibited demented
assumption about it. Moreover, American education about Islam is
filled with counterfeit and imbecilic notions. I have glanced at some
of the material they teach about Islam there, what on earth is this? I
have been taken aback of what I read. On the other end of the
spectrum, in either Britain or Canada, they have somewhat moderately
esteemable edification about other traditions and particularly Islam.
I maintain satisfactory acquaintance with decent individuals in the
States. I just am attempting to set parameters of obliged mutual
deference straight. I just wanted to represent myself as I just am.
Right wing camp has waged a mental combat against us in the States and
even prior to Trump’s era. Therefore, it is my pertinacious disposal
which aims to robustly fend for my sentiment. The United States proved
its vast majority to be less cooperative. Consequently, after they
brought this maledict archfiend to oval office, knowing that he is
intemperately incompetent, we have got to substantially react. It is
time to critically consider significant implementation of financial
ostracise to basically all American business enterprises.
Ethnocentrism and xenophobia have steadily bristled in the States
after Trump took charge. The United States capitol is a major source
for disseminating detriment. Therefore, to utterly obviate this
unnecessary hassle, the United States must be exigently boycotted on a
rather broader scale. I urge Muslims not to visit the States until
they develop a sufficient tendency to honour guests. If any community
looked different to their Caucasian supremacy, they commence to
speak discreditably about it. I do not exaggerate, I have heard Trump
spoke so xenophobically to his damnable rallies be that as it may,
they Cordially applauded to his detestable rhetoric. The world must
get stronger in the face of this major threat. The problem is not
Donald Trump, the problem are the ones who brought him to oval office.
Despite his major incompetencies, he is staggeringly seconded by
southern fundamentalist evangelists. As for Jacob’s of Michigan,
Egypt’s economy is basically based on capitalistic tenets, greed and
private ownership exorbitance. Ah by the way, Egypt’s government
doesn’t enforce Shariah, thanks to seculars and coup boosters. I must
ask you here, with what kind of Shariah Christians govern their
affairs? Is God pleased with you manipulated by secularism? If it was
a Judeo Christian coalition against Muslims, you would have bombed
those who reside there. Hmm, I am not too sure. You are not stupid
to do so. However, your conspiratorial schemes are more vicious than
that. There is something called indoctrination, manipulation and
imperialism. As Las Vegas is popular for Gambling, evangelists are
popular for the latter. They are good at practicing pretension until
they gradually brainwash lay and disinformed Muslims. I am absolutely
convinced that those people hate us to an unimaginable extent, even if
they attempt to pretend otherwise. I have numerous substantiations for
that. As for sam sham or sham sam, he is a perfect instance for civil
defeatism. How is Kuwait? Yes, with this I meant to bait. He is a mere
bootlick to those Americans, poor little sham eh? If you ever changed
your opinion and wanted to learn something about Arabic’s elementary,
just keep me notified. I urge you to preposterously spread your hatred
and prejudice until you notice that nothing but the decisive truth
shall prevail. As for Christology devotion, when I see that your faith
teaches you to adhere proper social conduct, I may give it some
thought. As for mister Carl, your convictions are of a prevalent
phenomenon in the western world. Faith inaction leads to where Carl
now is. However, faith in action may possibely lead to where I am. I
say may because everyone’s sincerity about religion is subjected to
relatively vary. Carl is a confident Agnostic from Washington. A
while ago, we deeply conversed about faith and philosophically related
perspectives. Carl’s choice to abandon faith is quite common in these
societies. To western people, religion doesn’t represent a major
constituent. It has no eminent priority in their daily lives. Even
those who go to Church, religion is insoluble to them. Western culture
has disposed sacredness and embraced relativism. They are sank in
terrestrial pursuits ever since. Do you recall when the Danish
cartoonist drew defamatory caricature of the prophet peace and
blessings be upon him, Muslims were globally outraged. Westerns didn’t
fathom why were we so offended. Subsequently, a committee of prominent
Muslim scholars accompanied with edified youth were delegated to
clarify the matter to Danish people. They travelled to Danmark to
explain to people there who prophet Muhammad is for us. I remember at
that time my stiff opposition to their proposal. I said to some of
them, your intent is good and your initiative is encouraging but, you
are missing a crucial factor. Religion in general is not really
significant to western societies. Please, do not waste your time, they
will never get your point. Anyhow, they went and the event has been
covered well, by only Islamic television channels. Next day, Danish
press returned to diss Islam. They published denigrating entries and
portraits. I hope we as Muslims would understand the terrific
difference between how do we look at religion versus how do they look
at religion. I say this with total conviction, there is no least
respect for religion in western culture. Christians deify Jesus yet at
the same time, westerns released a satiric film portraying him a
homosexual. Therefore, I am not appalled to see either Atheism or
Agnosticism widening among western people. As for our youth, this way
of thinking doesn’t really affect but those who are somewhat
occidentalised, they attempt to imitate westerns in just everything. I
decline the two extremes. I decline the position that extrapolates and
destines all westerns to hell. At the same time, I decline to
inadvertently evaporate in western culture. I am with positive
inclusion, mutual deference and collaboration. I believe this is a
moderate view of what is the proper manner to communicate with the
western world. Regarding their view of religion, it won’t ever change
and we shouldn’t expect any respect. How on earth they will respect
our religion if they failed to respect their own? With this rhetorical
question, I am pleased to conclude my thorough editorial. I will now
leave my combined list of recipients to interact with one another. I
will refrain from responding to stridence or irony. I follow all
threads nevertheless, I only respond to what deserves attention.
Thank you for reading, Bob Evans.
