Carl,
Everyone in New York City elementary schools had to line up for everything,
just as you describe. And we were silent in class, or were supposed to be. If
you wanted to say something, to ask a question, you raised your hand. You were
scolded if you whispered to the kid sitting next to you. There were some
teachers who were more lenient than others, but the basic rules applied. In my
classes, there were some children whose families may have been somewhat
economically better off than others, but that wasn't obvious to us in terms of
how we were treated. Very wealthy families didn't live anywhere near us and
most likely, they sent their children to private schools whose existence I
didn't learn about until I began doing adoption homestudies and a few of my
families were extremely wealthy. Also, on Long Island, very wealthy people
live in different communities from other families. The public schools are
funded, in good part, by the local community so the quality of the schools
depends on where one lives. Remember that I said that I spent as much time as
possible in the sight conservation room? That's because in there, I wasn't
regimented. I could move around and talk and do whatever I chose to do.
Miriam
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:49 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Jail a 6 year old? Talk about a collapsing
society!
I know things were tougher in schools in cities like New York, Detroit and
Chicago than they were in Seattle. But my First and Second grade teachers
would have turned in their union cards if they had to call the police in order
to keep their students in line.
In fact, speaking of lines, we children under the age of 8 lined up outside the
building and waited to be led into the class room by our teachers. In fact,
the First and Second grades lined up to go to lunch, to go to recess and to go
home at days end. And when spoken to, we answered, "yes, Miss Bell", and, "No,
Miss Chambers".
Nonetheless, most of our education was reinforced through negative discipline.
The Positive reinforcements, normally showered upon the outstanding achievers,
often went instead to the sons and daughters of the "better families". Which
was an education of its own.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/27/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
People who are in their forties and fifties, don't realize how much
our society has changed, and I mean, how much worse it has become.
I've mentioned before that I attended, what was supposed to be, "the
worst high school in Manhattan". I'm not sure what measurements they
used to come up with that definition, but it probably had to do with
the fact that the majority of students were black and brown. I know
there was some violence that occurred because I heard rumors of knife fights
in the back stairwells.
However, the police were never called and we had no police officers or
any other kind of guard stationed in the school. There was always a
teacher on hall duty on every floor and if a student was not in a
classroom, he or she had to have a pass. There were student monitors,
actually the toughest boys in the school were chosen for that task, to
keep order on the stairs, and there were up and down staircases. That
meant, you could not go up on a staircase dedicated for only down
traffic. Those of us who were white and in the academic track and
active in extra curricular activities, were kind of protected from a
lot of the regimentation. Even so, I thought that all of that strict
discipline was a bit overdone. But it was another world entirely. No
one back in the 1950's would have been arresting six year olds.
Miriam
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 11:19 AM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Jail a 6 year old? Talk about a collapsing
society!
Two thoughts came to me as I listened to the following article a
couple of dayus ago. Of course the first thought was to wonder about
the IQ of the trained educators who stepped up to the line and called
in the Cops to be the bad guys, and to cuff and lead off to Juvy jail,
a Public Enemy, a 6 Year Old Girl!
Really. A six year old child throwing a six year old tantrum, and a
school full of trained "Educators" had to call in the Cops. But why
not? Whether
6 or 96, our national policy for discipline is Negative Reinforcement.
Just knock some sense into their little pointed heads!
I know many folks will disagree with me, but I will keep my mouth shut
and simply point to my World History Book. That book is full of
negative reinforcements. So how's it working?
The other thing that jumped out at me was the word "Charter". This
arrest and cuffing of a little 6 year old child took place at a Charter
School!
Aren't we being sold the idea that Charter Schools are a superior
format in which to provide the highest quality of education?
Back in the 40's I attended a K through 8 public school. If there was
a tussle, and it was never in a class room, always on the playfield,
we had teachers, mostly women, who simply rolled up their sleeves and
waded into the fracas.
Read the following and then tell me how great America is.
Carl Jarvis
Body-cam video shows 6-year-old crying for help as officers zip-tie
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(Lindsey Sitz, Nicole Ellis, Ross Godwin/Nicole Ellis) By Alex Horton Feb.
26, 2020 at 10:37 a.m. PST
Kaia Rolle’s wrists were much too small for handcuffs, so when an
officer held a white zip tie in his hands, the 6-year-old girl was
curious at the sight.
“What are those for?” Kaia asked the pair of Orlando officers.
“They’re for you,” school resource officer Dennis Turner said, as
another officer slipped them over the first-grader’s wrists. “No,
don’t put handcuffs on!” Kaia sobbed, pleading with a charter school
official feet away.
“Help me, help me, please!”
The two officers perp-walked Kaia to a patrol vehicle waiting outside
Lucious and Emma Nixon Academy, with Kaia crying the entire way, as
shown in body-camera footage of the September incident obtained this
week by the Orlando Sentinel.
The incident, which
prompted wide national condemnation after it occurred, led to Turner’s
firing after the department concluded he violated arrest policy,
Orlando Police Chief Orlando Rolón said last year.
“I was sick to my stomach when I heard this,” he said then. “We were
all appalled. We could not fathom the idea of a 6-year-old being put
in the back of a police car.”
The extent of trauma from the incident is unknown, but the Sentinel’s
release of the video provides a clearer and damning glimpse inside the
school where Turner — an officer accused of abusing his own son and of
excessive force on the job — led the arrest.
“I knew that what they did was wrong, but I never knew she was begging
for help,” Meralyn Kirkland, Kaia’s grandmother, told the Sentinel. “I
watched her break.”
[How a 6-year old was taken from school to a mental-health facility —
without her mother’s consent]
Two burly officers were called in after school officials said Kaia had
a tantrum and struck three school workers, prompting a charge of
misdemeanor battery, the Sentinel reported.
But by the time the officers arrived, Kaia was sitting calmly in an
office chair while a school official read a book to her. The child was
unprepared to go, and she protested being put in a police car.
“You don’t want to? You have to,” the other officer said in the video.
“Please, give me a second chance,” she pleaded.
After Kaia was placed in the vehicle, Turner returned to an office
where three school officials appeared distraught.
“The restraints, are they necessary?” one employee asked him.
“Yes,” Turner said. Two women looked away from him. “If she was
bigger, she would have been wearing regular handcuffs.”
The employees appeared baffled a child that young would be restrained,
although Turner provided some statistics. The youngest person he ever
arrested previously was a 7-year-old boy, he told them, among 6,000
arrests in nearly three decades in law enforcement.
“Now, she has broken the record,” Turner said.
[California mother sentenced to 5 months of prison in
college-admissions scandal]
That remark especially agonized Kirkland. “You’re discussing
traumatizing a
6- and 7-year-old — and that’s a boasting right for you?” she told the
Sentinel.
“These are babies.”
The other officer involved, Sergio Ramos, responded as a transport
officer and raised multiple concerns with his supervisor about the
arrest, department spokesman Sgt. David Baker said in a statement. No
one told Ramos to stop the transport, and an investigation exonerated him,
Baker said.
An arrest record said school employee Beverly Stoute wanted to press
charges, which the school has denied, the Sentinel reported. The
school did not respond to a request for comment. Turner could not be
reached for comment.
Kaia was processed at a juvenile facility and had to use a step stool
for her mug shot, Kirkland told the paper. State attorney Aramis D.
Ayala said after
the incident that her office never intended to move forward with
charges against Kaia.
“I refuse to knowingly play any role in the school-to-prison pipeline
at any age,” she said afterward.
Another 6-year-old, a boy, was arrested by Turner for battery in an
unrelated incident the same day, although the arrest was halted before
he was fully charged, the Sentinel reported.
Rolón addressed the consequences Tuesday as the body-cam footage
circulated in news reports. A new department policy requires any
arrest of a child under
12 to be approved by a deputy chief,
he said.
Before that, a manager was required to approve that kind of arrest.
Turner violated that policy.
Rolón also mandated more oversight from charter school resource of
Body-cam video shows 6-year-old crying for help as officers zip-tie
her banner end article
By
Alex Horton
Feb. 26, 2020 at 10:37 a.m. PST
Kaia Rolle’s wrists were much too small for handcuffs, so when an
officer held a white zip tie in his hands, the 6-year-old girl was
curious at the sight.
“What are those for?” Kaia asked the pair of Orlando officers.
“They’re for you,” school resource officer Dennis Turner said, as
another officer slipped them over the first-grader’s wrists. “No,
don’t put handcuffs on!” Kaia sobbed, pleading with a charter school
official feet away.
“Help me, help me, please!”
The two officers perp-walked Kaia to a patrol vehicle waiting outside
Lucious and Emma Nixon Academy, with Kaia crying the entire way, as
shown in body-camera footage of the September incident obtained this
week by the Orlando Sentinel.
The incident, which
prompted wide national condemnation after it occurred, led to Turner’s
firing after the department concluded he violated arrest policy,
Orlando Police Chief Orlando Rolón said last year.
“I was sick to my stomach when I heard this,” he said then. “We were
all appalled. We could not fathom the idea of a 6-year-old being put
in the back of a police car.”
The extent of trauma from the incident is unknown, but the Sentinel’s
release of the video provides a clearer and damning glimpse inside the
school where Turner — an officer accused of abusing his own son and of
excessive force on the job — led the arrest.
“I knew that what they did was wrong, but I never knew she was begging
for help,” Meralyn Kirkland, Kaia’s grandmother, told the Sentinel. “I
watched her break.”
[How a 6-year old was taken from school to a mental-health facility —
without her mother’s consent]
Two burly officers were called in after school officials said Kaia had
a tantrum and struck three school workers, prompting a charge of
misdemeanor battery, the Sentinel reported.
But by the time the officers arrived, Kaia was sitting calmly in an
office chair while a school official read a book to her. The child was
unprepared to go, and she protested being put in a police car.
“You don’t want to? You have to,” the other officer said in the video.
“Please, give me a second chance,” she pleaded.
After Kaia was placed in the vehicle, Turner returned to an office
where three school officials appeared distraught.
“The restraints, are they necessary?” one employee asked him.
“Yes,” Turner said. Two women looked away from him. “If she was
bigger, she would have been wearing regular handcuffs.”
The employees appeared baffled a child that young would be restrained,
although Turner provided some statistics. The youngest person he ever
arrested previously was a 7-year-old boy, he told them, among 6,000
arrests in nearly three decades in law enforcement.
“Now, she has broken the record,” Turner said.
[California mother sentenced to 5 months of prison in
college-admissions scandal]
That remark especially agonized Kirkland. “You’re discussing
traumatizing a
6- and 7-year-old — and that’s a boasting right for you?” she told the
Sentinel.
“These are babies.”
The other officer involved, Sergio Ramos, responded as a transport
officer and raised multiple concerns with his supervisor about the
arrest, department spokesman Sgt. David Baker said in a statement. No
one told Ramos to stop the transport, and an investigation exonerated him,
Baker said.
An arrest record said school employee Beverly Stoute wanted to press
charges, which the school has denied, the Sentinel reported. The
school did not respond to a request for comment. Turner could not be
reached for comment.
Kaia was processed at a juvenile facility and had to use a step stool
for her mug shot, Kirkland told the paper. State attorney Aramis D.
Ayala said after
the incident that her office never intended to move forward with
charges against Kaia.
“I refuse to knowingly play any role in the school-to-prison pipeline
at any age,” she said afterward.
Another 6-year-old, a boy, was arrested by Turner for battery in an
unrelated incident the same day, although the arrest was halted before
he was fully charged, the Sentinel reported.
Rolón addressed the consequences Tuesday as the body-cam footage
circulated in news reports. A new department policy requires any
arrest of a child under
12 to be approved by a deputy chief,
he said.
Before that, a manager was required to approve that kind of arrest.
Turner violated that policy.
Rolón also mandated more oversight from charter school resource of
