Hi Roger,
I've done my share of telemarketing over the years. There's a big difference
betwene telemarketers and scammers. While telemarketers are often very
aggressive, at least they have a legitimate product or service to sell.
Scammers are out to rip you off. I would never curse or scream at a
legitimate telemarketer. I might lie about who is or is not available but I
usually simply hang up the phone. IF I'm in a good mood, I might wish them
luck on future calls.
Bob Hachey
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:10 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Learn How to Avoid Financial Scams
As a former telemarketing worker working on commission I can say that just
being hung up on is preferred. The point is that it is better to quickly get
on to the next call rather than to waste time with someone who blames me for
the intrusion.
On 7/5/2015 1:26 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Well Bob, if I were a Believer, I'd believe that God allows Scam callsjail.
to enable us all to relieve our frustrations.
As I suggested to Mostafa in another email, we humans are all flawed.
And to prove it, I've been known to blow a whistle into the telephone,
whisper evil and nasty words, set the phone down after saying, "I'll
see if he is in", telling someone that my wife can't come to the phone
because I just buried her the day before, shouting in French, a
language that I can barely swear in, and even just laughing
maniacally. But in recent times I must have made peace with my inner
anger and worked out all of my rage, because I simply hang up the
phone once I understand the nature of the call. I do not say good
bye, or say I'm sorry, or my wife is busy, I just hang up. I've come
to the belief, right or wrong, that the people on the other end of the
line are desperate people trying anything to eek out a living. I will
not judge them, but I will do all I can to warn my family and friends
that such predators are lurking about.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/4/15, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hey Carl,
For awhile, I was getting those nasty IRS scam calls. I was
threatening them saying things like I'll get my attorney after you or
report you to the frauds division of state's attorney general's
office. The calls kept coming and from different numbers.
Then I tried the offensive fowl language approach and I can swear
with the likes of George Carlin. Still more calls.
I think my third approach worked, however. It's been almost a month
since the last call. I have a loud voice that projects extremely
well. I let the last caller have it at the top of my lungs. Wonder if
I damaged his hearing.
Guess I have an evil streak in me! LOL.
Bob Hachey
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 12:10 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Learn How to Avoid Financial Scams
I would think most states have a service similar to the one in
Washington State. It is a web site where you can check to find out
if you have any unclaimed money. One of our daughters ran across
this site and discovered that dear old Dad had some money waiting to
be claimed. Turned out that one amount was around $75.00, from a
dentist we had not taken our children to in many years. The other
was for around $150.00. I can't recall what it was left over from,
but we split the $225.00 three ways and gave it to the kids.
I did get taken badly once. We had a call from what sounded like our
second eldest grandson. It's a long nasty story, but the end result
was that I approved a substantial sum of money sent out of the
country. I could have been smart and called his cell phone, but I
did not check that out until it was too late.
There are some very clever, and some not so clever scams at work.
The current scam playing on our local phones, is some IRS guy with a
bad accent, advising us to call him in order to avoid penalties or even
He hung up on me.We ignored this call the first several times it showed up on our
voice mail.
Finally I called the number. It had been disconnected. The next
time the call showed up I called the number right away. The fellow
with the bad English answered. I said that I was requesting his name
so I could finish filling out my report to our state Attorney General.
more sophisticated scams.Later that afternoon I called him again. The number was no longer in
service.
While that particular scam did not intimidate me, it works on many
elderly people. I doubt many folks are sending off their money to
Africa in hopes of getting a few million dollars from the rich
Cocoanut widow who needs a place to send her fortune. But there's many
yourself.Like
the one that assures you that you will be perfectly safe if you open
a separate bank account, allow them to place your winnings in, and
you can send them a small fee of around $150, keeping the remainder for
your money.This transaction takes place faster than you can say Jack Shit! The
money is deposited, your check is cashed, and the money is removed,
leaving you with one overdraft. Along with the penalty fee.
The Rule of Thumb is to never become involved in any offer that
requires some up front money. Even when it looks as if you can't lose
That is the scam, convincing you that you'll get something for nothing.
Before you do anything else, call the authorities and check it out.
There are web sites that list many of the current scams.
And don't do what I did, and forget your good senses and send money
off to help what you believe is a relative in distress, without doing
the basic investigation.
Oh yes, that reminds me of another scam. My friend emailed me from
New Zealand, telling me she had been robbed and needed a loan in
order to settle her hotel costs and help her with transportation to
the airport. She said she had kept her ticket in a safe place in the
hotel. So I called her and learned that she had moved and her phone
was no longer in service. I checked with several friends and learned
that some of them had received the same request. Finally she posted
on our WCB list and said she had moved out of the area and was living
happily in Arizona, and had never been to New Zealand.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/3/15, Charles Crawford <CCrawford@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Blind-Democracy folks,
I just saw this and thought you might find it useful as well.
Charlie Crawford.
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