Lissi, Take another look at my message about what is wrong with Lisey's Story. I didn't say Tab. I said Paragraph Marker. In either case, though, you can cause Word to display Tabs and Paragraph Markers by pressing Ctrl-Shift-8. Pressing Ctrl-Shift-8 a second time turns displaying of invisible characters off. BTW, you can search for Tabs in Word using ^t. Replacing ^t with a space will remove tabs. HTH Gerald -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Estelnalissi Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:02 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] sneaky tabs Dear Booksharians using Microsoft word 2003 and Jaws, When Gerald said Lisey's Story had a tab at the end of each line, I wondered how a validator or scanner wouldn't notice it. The only way I could think to investigate was to check Robin Williams, the book I mentioned earlier that I was validating, and to do so by moving my cursor space by space using the arrow keys. I didn't find any extra tabs in the text, but found a tab before and after all of the even page numbers. I had used control H, find and replace, I think, or is that global replace, to delete the book title headers on those pages replacing the title with nothing and listening to every instance of the Title before deleting because Robin Williams was sometimes part of the text. After those headers were gone, I'd listened to the lines using the up and down arrows and heard blank for the line above the number and blank for the line under it and only the page number for the line where it appeared. But when listening character by character, I sometimes heard a tab on the line above, sometimes heard tab right before the number and always heard tab one empty space after the number. I've gone to all of the even page numbers through 68, where I'm working now and deleted the tabs finding them with arrows and deleting with the backspace key. As I continue, I'll check for these extra tabs around all of the upcoming even page numbers. My question is, what is a more efficient way to search for tabs? I think we've covered this, but I didn't note it because I thought I'd just notice them as I validated. I thought if jaws said blank, nothing, including tabs, was on that line. I also caught extra tabs because when reading line by line, it's obvious when the amount of words or characters on complete lines vary for no otherwise noticeable reason. I also assumed when I left justified the margin, by highlighting all of the text and entering OK after selecting left in the paragraph dialogue box with 0 in the 4 boxes for numbers, all tabs at the beginnings of lines or paragraphs would vanish. Though I admit I'm relieved I didn't validate Lisey, I wonder how many extraneous tabs I overlooked in other books I've validated. Thanks for your help. Always with love, Lissi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Why No Book Reviews? > The problem with Lisey's Story that Robert mentioned is caused by the > submitter's OCR settings. There's a Paragraph Marker at the end of every > line in the print book. > > Maybe Carrie will resubmit the book since it was a top 10 New York Times > bestseller. > > Gerald > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:43 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Why No Book Reviews? > > Hi, Robert. There are two issues that I know of that impact the quality > of > the Braille files here. This is my perspective, and others may not share > it. One is that OCR technology isn't perfect, and each volunteer has > his/her own level of ability in scanning. Some books have a rating of > fair, > and that tells you that they're going to be in rough shape, especially for > Braille readers. I think the other problem you're running into with the > Braille files is because many of us scanand validate books using speech. > Speech seems to make it easier to move past some scannos, and it is far > more > forgiving with formatting. Unless we move character by character through > a > document, we don't pick up on things like extra spaces, line breaks, or > certain stray punctuation. Some speech users are very careful to check > for > some of these things. I suspect that many people just want to read their > book, and they aren't aware of these issues because speech reads normally. > I do a spell check and read the book, but I don't move along character by > character to read. That would drive me nuts! The cost of Braille devices > puts them beyond the reach of many of our volunteers, so I think this > situation will change very slowly over time and only if prices fall on > Braille technology. I hope this sheds a little light on the situation. > > Monica Willyard > > At 10:49 AM 1/6/2007, you wrote: >> Who is Jim? I thought the head guy is called Gustavo. Isn't Open >> Book from Freedom Scientific. None of this seems very organized. >> The Stephen King book that gave me trouble is Lisey's STory, but >> other books do too. What is Daisy? The new software for the >> Braillenote says it can read Daisy. 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