Lissi,
Take another look at my message about what is wrong with Lisey's Story. I
didn't say Tab. I said Paragraph Marker.
In either case, though, you can cause Word to display Tabs and Paragraph
Markers by pressing Ctrl-Shift-8. Pressing Ctrl-Shift-8 a second time
turns
displaying of invisible characters off.
BTW, you can search for Tabs in Word using ^t. Replacing ^t with a space
will remove tabs.
HTH
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Estelnalissi
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:02 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] sneaky tabs
Dear Booksharians using Microsoft word 2003 and Jaws,
When Gerald said Lisey's Story had a tab at the end of each line, I
wondered
how a validator or scanner wouldn't notice it.
The only way I could think to investigate was to check Robin Williams, the
book I mentioned earlier that I was validating, and to do so by moving my
cursor space by space using the arrow keys.
I didn't find any extra tabs in the text, but found a tab before and after
all of the even page numbers. I had used control H, find and replace, I
think, or is that global replace, to delete the book title headers on
those
pages replacing the title with nothing and listening to every instance of
the Title before deleting because Robin Williams was sometimes part of the
text.
After those headers were gone, I'd listened to the lines using the up and
down arrows and heard blank for the line above the number and blank for
the
line under it and only the page number for the line where it appeared. But
when listening character by character, I sometimes heard a tab on the line
above, sometimes heard tab right before the number and always heard tab
one
empty space after the number.
I've gone to all of the even page numbers through 68, where I'm working
now
and deleted the tabs finding them with arrows and deleting with the
backspace key. As I continue, I'll check for these extra tabs around all
of
the upcoming even page numbers.
My question is, what is a more efficient way to search for tabs? I think
we've covered this, but I didn't note it because I thought I'd just notice
them as I validated. I thought if jaws said blank, nothing, including
tabs,
was on that line. I also caught extra tabs because when reading line by
line, it's obvious when the amount of words or characters on complete
lines
vary for no otherwise noticeable reason.
I also assumed when I left justified the margin, by highlighting all of
the
text and entering OK after selecting left in the paragraph dialogue box
with
0 in the 4 boxes for numbers, all tabs at the beginnings of lines or
paragraphs would vanish.
Though I admit I'm relieved I didn't validate Lisey, I wonder how many
extraneous tabs I overlooked in other books I've validated.
Thanks for your help.
Always with love,
Lissi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Why No Book Reviews?
The problem with Lisey's Story that Robert mentioned is caused by the
submitter's OCR settings. There's a Paragraph Marker at the end of every
line in the print book.
Maybe Carrie will resubmit the book since it was a top 10 New York Times
bestseller.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:43 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Why No Book Reviews?
Hi, Robert. There are two issues that I know of that impact the quality
of
the Braille files here. This is my perspective, and others may not share
it. One is that OCR technology isn't perfect, and each volunteer has
his/her own level of ability in scanning. Some books have a rating of
fair,
and that tells you that they're going to be in rough shape, especially
for
Braille readers. I think the other problem you're running into with the
Braille files is because many of us scanand validate books using speech.
Speech seems to make it easier to move past some scannos, and it is far
more
forgiving with formatting. Unless we move character by character through
a
document, we don't pick up on things like extra spaces, line breaks, or
certain stray punctuation. Some speech users are very careful to check
for
some of these things. I suspect that many people just want to read their
book, and they aren't aware of these issues because speech reads
normally.
I do a spell check and read the book, but I don't move along character by
character to read. That would drive me nuts! The cost of Braille
devices
puts them beyond the reach of many of our volunteers, so I think this
situation will change very slowly over time and only if prices fall on
Braille technology. I hope this sheds a little light on the situation.
Monica Willyard
At 10:49 AM 1/6/2007, you wrote:
Who is Jim? I thought the head guy is called Gustavo. Isn't Open
Book from Freedom Scientific. None of this seems very organized.
The Stephen King book that gave me trouble is Lisey's STory, but
other books do too. What is Daisy? The new software for the
Braillenote says it can read Daisy. Is that the same as nimas?
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