Now, there's a good idea. That and the backend process needs to be seriously looked at to improve performance. When it takes a minimum of 30 seconds just to scroll to the next page, no wonder everybody wants the hold stuff out of there. That and I wouldn't mind if we could specify the size of each page. For me for example, I set google's hit count per page up to 100 because I don't like constantly having to click to next page. I don't use a virtual buffer with Orca so once the page is loaded, I can merely just nav aaround the list to my heart's content. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 02:39:33PM -0600, Valerie Maples wrote: > It would be nice, instead, if engineering could modify search to include an > exclusion ability, in short, find everything without hold in the title. > > Valerie > > Speech recognition in use ... I talk, it listens, sometimes we make mistakes! > ;-) > > On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mike wrote: > > > I guess that is true, I do kind of like to see the first dozen or so new > > items, though mostly I wish there was a magic button that would sort by > > books I'm most likely to be interested in. > > > > Misha > > > > On 2/18/2011 5:03 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote: > >> Hi Mike, > >> > >> Your suggestion doesn't actually work as well as you think. The default > >> sort order is by date added with the most recent at the top of the list. > >> We'd all have to reorder our sorting to avoid the holds for new volunteers. > >> Not that that's a huge thing, better than wading through the dang things, > >> but, not quite as simple for everyone as you say. > >> > >> Not being crabby, just saying. > >> > >> Mayrie > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike > >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:00 PM > >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my thoughts on the hold for issue > >> > >> How about starting the new volunteer test books with Zhold for instead of > >> hold for. This would require the new volunteers to be given a couple new > >> instructions to find their book (sort in reverse alphabetical order and > >> look > >> for Zhold for "their name") instead of just look for their hold for book. > >> But I don't think it is too onerous and it would get the new volunteer > >> books > >> out of the way of most people looking for non held for books to proof. > >> > >> Misha > >> > >> On 2/18/2011 9:22 AM, Evan Reese wrote: > >>> Well, according to Scott's numbers, there are thirteen hold fors older > >>> than three months. As of right now, there are 364 books on the check > >>> out page. So that equals 3.6 percent of the total number of books on > >>> the check out page. Also according to Scott's numbers, there are a > >>> total of 35 hold fors within the last three months; 31 of which are > >>> less than two months old, which equals 9.6 percent of the number of > >>> books on the check out page. So altogether, the total number of hold > >>> fors of any age comprises 13.2 percent of the total number of books on > >>> the check out page. (These figures do not include the hold for test > >>> books, which cannot be counted because they are not for books that > >>> will get into the collection.) Another way to put it is to notice that > >>> the total number of books being held for over three months, 13, is > >>> less than the number of books that have been held for less than one > >>> month, 17. > >>> > >>> So it doesn't look to me as though the hold for is being abused, nor > >>> does it appear that it generally slows down the process of getting > >>> books into the collection. The vast majority of books, 86.8 percent, > >>> are not being held for anyone. (Once again, this does not include the > >>> hold for test books.) > >>> > >>> Evan > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray"<cindyray@xxxxxxxxx> > >>> To:<bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 8:15 AM > >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: my thoughts on the hold for issue > >>> > >>> > >>>> I think three months is plenty long to hold a book. For me this is > >>>> about putting books in the collection. There are plenty of books to > >>>> proofread; however, I worked at Iowa Dept. for the Blind coordinating > >>>> proofreading for a while and proofreading educational materials; I > >>>> saw some stuff that had been around for a really long time, and the > >>>> book I just proofread had been around for a very long time; so holds > >>>> just slow down the movement of books longer. Don't know anything else > >>>> about the other places, like que, which I can't remember how to spell. > >>>> > >>>> Cindy Lou > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 18, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Melissa Smith wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I think, in normal circumstances, 3 months is plenty long for a hold > >>>>> for. Personally, when I have a book I'm holding for someone, I > >>>>> contact the proofer to find out when they're ready for me to put it > >>>>> up. I put the book up when they are ready, and they download it > >>>>> within a day or so. However, I can see that life may get in the way > >>>>> at times, and then, contacting Carrie to extend the hold would be a > >>>>> nice option. > >>>>> Though, in most cases 3 months should be plenty of time. > >>>>> > >>>>> Melissa Smith > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/17/2011 8:58 PM, Jamie Prater wrote: > >>>>>> Hi, I'm not sure what the answer is. I know books need to move > >>>>>> along and not clog up the list. I've seen the new volunteer > >>>>>> materials clog up and linger on all lists, the checkout list, the > >>>>>> in process list, and the awaiting approval list. If they get to > >>>>>> that point, they need to go on ahead and download the materials and > >>>>>> do something with them. I've seen lots of stuff stay in the > >>>>>> approval queue and the in process queue, longer than they used to > >>>>>> stay. I know people get backlogged, so is three months a > >>>>>> reasonable answer, and if not, what is? I can't throw rocks at > >>>>>> anybody since a couple of months ago, I let some things linger > >>>>>> during a turbulent period of my life when life was too complicated > >>>>>> to work on anything, and one book in particular almost stayed too > >>>>>> long and I was glad it didn't overstay its welcome on the checkout > >>>>>> list and I'm glad I didn't miss it as it was part of a series. I > >>>>>> hope people who make up the huge influx of volunteers really intend > >>>>>> on moving through and > >>>> volunteering and not letting materials stay in one spot and never > >>>> following through. If everybody does, the possibilities will be > >>>> limitless for all scanners and proofers and readers alike. I like > >>>> the idea of books for new volunteers to practice on and build their > >>>> confidence levels up before tackling real books. My first > >>>> validation/proofing book was one I had read at least twice and was > >>>> very familiar with and it had very little to correct, so I just > >>>> eventually read manuals and learned by doing and part of the road was > >>>> a bit bumpy and I made people mad who thought I wasn't willing to > >>>> read the manual, but I was, I just had a job and a lot of other stuff > >>>> going on. I'm sure we can come up with a workable solution and/or > >>>> possible policy change. 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