I hope this explanation will be clear enough. If you feel comfortable
following my directions to change the page length in Word you can be pretty
sure that the page breaks present are ones that were present in the book
not ones that Word inserted. The page breaks you are told about because
JAWS announces them in a different voice can be the accurate page breaks
that bookshare requires. the best way to be sure about that is to check to
see if there is a page number just above or below the place where JAWS
announces Word's page numbering, which is what i believe you were already
doing. Sorry if I caused more confusion instead of less.
If you find that there are no page numbers in the text near where JAWS
announces the change of pages but the page changes seem to occur randomly
then you can suspect that proper page breaks are gone.
Since you got Kurzweil you can use the same method for checking page
entegrity. Just remember that for right now blank pages will be missing
when you open an RTF, so you have to just make sure that page changes occur
above or below page numbers in the text and don't worry about whether some
page numbers seem to jump in the text as long as what your reading doesn't
seem to have anything missing. If you need more information about how to
set up Kurzweil to work well for you while validating you can tell me and I
will write an E-mail to you off list explaining what I think would work
well, or write a message with my phone number so you could call and tell me
exactly what you need.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
Dear Sarah,
Thank you yet again.
I enjoy knowing these terms.
I want to run this by you again to make sure I understand. When it says returnnew, are you saying Gestavo removed the previous validator's changes and has replaced the book on the step one page as it was originally sent by the submitter?
I reviewed the list of actions again and noticed the book was edited twice and returned as returnnew twice. It's been worked on for 2 months and I notice different people have worked with it. It's pretty far down the list and it doesn't seem anyone has gotten involved with it as their particular project.
This looks like a good book for me to learn on.
I wish I didn't need to ask, but I realize I don't know for sure what is meant by page breaks. Did you mean the page numbers in the low voice are breaks placed in the book by Word, but don't count as the page breaks Bookshare requires? In word in an RTF file, what would be the cue that an official Bookshare page break was present?
Always With Love,
Lissi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: help interpreting comments on step one page
Action valid would mean that the book was uploaded by a validator for final admin approval.
donedone means that the book went through whatever it is that books usually go through when approved and uploaded. It just means that they went through the system and the message is probably stupid sounding and criptic because it is only information for a computer and never really ment to make a lot of sense to a person. My guess is that the words weren't even assigned by someone from bookshare, but are just part of the tool they use.
returnnew Means that a week later Gustavo actually looked at the book when he got to it in the approval queue and wasn't sure it was Okay.
The comments were from him, and evidently why he didn't think it was okay was that he didn't think it had page breaks. Remember that not all validators know what they are doing and might not know that page breaks are a problem. Remember also that when books are sent back to the validation pool they are returned as the original file the scanner submitted, so returnnew actually means just what it says. The book is no longer a validated book, but is however it was when submitted. The only reason this might be a good thing would be if the validator somehow caused the page breaks to disappear when they were there in the original file.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] help interpreting comments on step one page
Dear Everyone,
I was reviewing the books on the step one page and found some comments which puzzle me. Can anyone explain?
One box said, Action - Valid, What does that mean? If the book was valid, wouldn't it have been accepted?
Another box on the same book, posted at a later date said Donedone, which done done as one word
The comment was
Updated by validation tools PHP
A week later the box said
action Returnnew, why does it say New when this is about the 6th action?
then the comment says, Please verify that this book has page breaks Please do not remove page breaks If this book has no page breaks, please reject.
After that the book was downloaded twice more and it's still on the step one page.
By the sixth download, wouldn't it have been established if the book had page breaks or not?
This is in no way a criticism of the process this book has been through. Before I attempt to validate it, I'd just like to understand the terms and meaning of the record of downloads rather than to ignore them and possible repeat mistakes or overlook tips that were given.
I know this is a complex question, but, ...Anything you can tell me would be great.
Always With Love,
Lissi
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