[bksvol-discuss] Re: Rejection of proofed books
- From: "Bob W" <rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:57:37 -0600
I agree that it's nice to get a book into the collection first time rather
than a rejection slip.
But, I also like to know my mistakes rather than just have them slip through
while others fix them for me. Kind of feels like dependence.
In other words, I vote yes either way. <lol>
Thanks.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martha Rafter" <mlhr@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Rejection of proofed books
Hello All,
I certainly agree that having my mistakes pointed out for me to correct
is a great learning experience for me. On the other end of that, I love it
when my book is accepted the first time--a real source of personal pride!
Thanks all of you at Bookshare for all the hard work!
Marty Rafter
-----Original Message-----
From: Debby Franson
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:59 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Rejection of proofed books
Hi Alisa!
Whenever I have had a book returned to me for further editing, it is a
minor thing that only takes a few minutes to correct. Once I used the
sharp tool of find and replace too broadly, which changed too many things,
and another time, I had a page number at the top and bottom of a page. The
corrections took less than a minute up to five minutes at the most, so I
wouldn't call that editing painful. All of my proofread books were
accepted with further editing whenever necessary. Having a book returned
to the checkout list for me has taught me where I need to be more careful,
so I see the experience as a teachable moment for me.
Debby
At 01:31 PM 2/2/2012, Alisa Moore wrote
>Hi all.
>
>I want you to know that we (Bookshare staff and Collections Department
>folks) share your pain around the rejection of books that require only
>minor editing changes (such as adding page breaks or a font change). Until
>now, our own staff have been unable to make simple editing changes to your
>proofed books, and so they've been returned to you for editing, often with
>only minor edits! What a waste of time for everyone, and we know it
>creates a lot of frustration and anger to have your work rejected in its
>entirety, when there are only a few, easily corrected errors.
>
>Happily, we have new product managers who now understand our problem (our
>not being able to make small revisions in-house) and this issue has been
>made a top priority in our engineering department to fix asap. I will keep
>you posted on progress. But please know that we are as eager as you, to
>make this improvement to our system. We believe that this will reduce as
>many as 50% of the rejections you now receive on your proofread books,
>saving all of us time and energy.
>
>Thanks for your patience.
>
>Alisa Moore
>
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>From: "Denise Wagner" <denisecwagner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:44:54 -0500
>
>Hi all,
>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back
>to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
>does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
>Chapter One begins.
>
>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter
>needs to be in?
>
>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
>make sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
>Thanks,
>Denise
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:15:43 -0800
>
>Hi Denise,
>
>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
>first
>title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
>author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains
>the title of the book, and nothing else.
>
>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume
>that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank.
>On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to
>20
>point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
>
>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
>page containing title, author, and publisher.
>
>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a
>blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
>
>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of
>your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This
>is
>very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
>on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
>
>Hope some of that ramble helps!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back
>to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
>does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
>Chapter One begins.
>
>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter
>needs to be in?
>
>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
>make
>sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
>Thanks,
>Denise
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Denise Wagner" <denisecwagner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:36:20 -0500
>
>Thank you Mayrie!
>Yes, that does help. That helps me to know what to look for. I did have a
>couple of pages with completely unintelligible garbage (one had just
>“fbâ€Â�, or something like it). I did loo look in my
>hardcopy of the
>book to try to figure out what was scanned, but I must have either confused
>myself (known to happen *grin*) or I skipped it intending to come back to
>it later and then forgot.
>
>In any case, now I know what to be on the alert for.
>
>Thank you again!
>Denise
>
>From: Mayrie ReNae
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:15 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Hi Denise,
>
>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
>first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains
>title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only
>contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
>
>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume
>that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank.
>On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to
>20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
>
>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
>page containing title, author, and publisher.
>
>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a
>blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
>
>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of
>your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This
>is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are
>desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
>
>Hope some of that ramble helps!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back
>to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
>does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
>Chapter One begins.
>
>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter
>needs to be in?
>
>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
>make sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
>Thanks,
>Denise
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:40:36 -0800
>
>HI Denise,
>
>You're very welcome. Would that all confusions/problems were that easy to
>solve!
>
>Happy proofreading!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:36 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>Thank you Mayrie!
>
>Yes, that does help. That helps me to know what to look for. I did have a
>couple of pages with completely unintelligible garbage (one had just "fb",
>or something like it). I did look in my hardcopy of the book to try to
>figure out what was scanned, but I must have either confused myself (known
>to happen *grin*) or I skipped it intending to come back to it later and
>then forgot.
>
>In any case, now I know what to be on the alert for.
>
>Thank you again!
>Denise
>
>From: Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:15 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Hi Denise,
>
>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
>first
>title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
>author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains
>the title of the book, and nothing else.
>
>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume
>that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank.
>On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to
>20
>point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
>
>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
>page containing title, author, and publisher.
>
>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a
>blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
>
>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of
>your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This
>is
>very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
>on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
>
>Hope some of that ramble helps!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back
>to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
>does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
>Chapter One begins.
>
>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter
>needs to be in?
>
>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
>make
>sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
>Thanks,
>Denise
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:27:31 -0600
>From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
>that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author.
>Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times
>and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the
>title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the
>title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page.
>I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the
>title page.
>Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
>layouts? grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> > Hi Denise,
> >
> > It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
> > first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains
> > title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page
> > only contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
> >
> > So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I
> > assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7
> > is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and
> > enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the
> > publisher.
> >
> > In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual
> > title page containing title, author, and publisher.
> >
> > And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication,
> > maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of
> > the book.
> >
> > You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title
> > page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable
> > text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy
> > fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >
> > Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >
> > Mayrie
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Denise
> > Wagner
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> > *To:* bksvol-discuss
> > *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came
> > back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on
> > page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the
> > page where Chapter One begins.
> >
> > So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front
> > matter needs to be in?
> >
> > I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want
> > to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Denise
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:49:48 -0800 (PST)
>From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
>titles?
> I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> indecisive
>nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I
>figure
>it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
> Valerie
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
>that
>have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then,
>within
>the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally
>have
>a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and
>publisher on
>it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even
>occurs
>after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and
>publisher on it as the title page.
>
>Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts?
>grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Mayrie ReNae wrote:
>Hi Denise,
> >
> >It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
> >first
> >title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
> author,
> >and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the
> title of
> >the book, and nothing else.
> >
> >So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I
> assume that
> >at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On
> that
> >page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20
> >point
> >font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
> >
> >In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
> page
> >containing title, author, and publisher.
> >
> >And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe
> a blank
> >page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
> >
> >You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page
> of your
> >book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is
> >very
> >very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
> on title
> >pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >
> >Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >
> >Mayrie
> >
> >
> >
> >
>________________________________
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> >To: bksvol-discuss
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came
> back to me
> >needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
> >does
> >already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter
> >One
> >begins.
> >
> >So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front
> >matter
> >needs to be in?
> >
> >I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
> >make
> >sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Denise
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:52:05 -0800
>
>Hi Judy,
>
>I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page.
>But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the
>title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's
>overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and
>being
>more thorough this way.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:28 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
>that
>have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then,
>within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then
>finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author
>and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes
>this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one
>with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
>
>Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts?
>grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Mayrie ReNae wrote:
>
>Hi Denise,
>
>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
>first
>title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
>author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains
>the title of the book, and nothing else.
>
>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume
>that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank.
>On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to
>20
>point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
>
>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
>page containing title, author, and publisher.
>
>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a
>blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
>
>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of
>your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This
>is
>very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
>on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
>
>Hope some of that ramble helps!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back
>to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
>does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
>Chapter One begins.
>
>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter
>needs to be in?
>
>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
>make
>sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
>Thanks,
>Denise
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:02:53 -0800 (PST)
>From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same
>intent on
>message delivered minutes apart. LOL
> Valerie
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi Judy,
>
>I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title
>page.
>But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the
>title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's
>overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and
>being
>more thorough this way.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:08:45 -0800
>
>Hi Valerie!
>
>Oh, I'm so glad I'm not alone in my potential overbolding and enlarging. I
>don't think we're hurting anything, and say we should just rock on!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:50 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
>titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
>indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title
>page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
>
>Valerie
>
> _____
>
>From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
>that
>have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then,
>within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then
>finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author
>and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes
>this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one
>with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
>
>Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts?
>grin.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Mayrie ReNae wrote:
>
>Hi Denise,
>
>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
>first
>title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
>author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains
>the title of the book, and nothing else.
>
>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume
>that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank.
>On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to
>20
>point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
>
>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
>page containing title, author, and publisher.
>
>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a
>blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
>
>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of
>your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This
>is
>very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
>on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
>
>Hope some of that ramble helps!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back
>to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
>does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
>Chapter One begins.
>
>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter
>needs to be in?
>
>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
>make
>sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
>Thanks,
>Denise
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:09:23 -0800
>
>Hi Valerie,
>
>All I have to say is:
>
>BRILLIANT MINDS!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:03 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same
>intent
>on message delivered minutes apart. LOL
>
>Valerie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>Hi Judy,
>
>I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page.
>But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the
>title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's
>overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and
>being
>more thorough this way.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:25:19 -0800
>From: misha <mishatronics@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>The actual problem in regard to this question has been cleared up.
>Nonetheless I feel compelled to put in my few cents worth.
>
>The "Real Title Page" almost always is right before the copyright page
>(but not absolutely always). Many times the title and author's name on
>this page are in very large and elaborate lettering so OCR makes a hash
>of it. I've even seen books with the title page spread over two facing
>pages. I've seen as many as three pages with the title on them, the
>first page of the book, usually just the title, but sometimes the title
>and author, then blank pages or review blurbs or lists of other books by
>the author, then finally the "Real Title Page" with the title, author
>and publisher (though not necessarily in that order), then the copyright
>page, followed by blank pages or dedications or acknowledgements and so
>on, then another page with just the book title (or infrequently title
>and author), and finally the actual text of the book.
>
>In the past, I have bolded and 20 pointed all title pages, but lately
>I've been doing 20 point bold only for the "Real Title Page."
>
>I'm sure that is more than anyone wanted to actually read, but I'm
>sitting here hoping my new scanner will arrive while I eat lunch and
>probably like nervous gabbling only in the form of typing email.
>
>Misha
>
>On 1/11/2012 12:09 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> > Hi Valerie,
> > All I have to say is:
> > BRILLIANT MINDS!
> > Mayrie
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Valerie
> > Maples
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:03 PM
> > *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> > We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same
> > intent on message delivered minutes apart. LOL
> > Valerie
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM
> > *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> > Hi Judy,
> > I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title
> > page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all
> > instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book
> > begins. Maybe that's overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I
> > was covering my butt and being more thorough this way.
> > Mayrie
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:44:06 -0500
>
>I always keep the title page of course, but I either keep or delete the
>ones with only the title on them depending on how the preliminary page
>numbering works out. Since I always scan the back cover, and/or inside
>flaps, (if it's a hardcover), I often have an extra page or two over what
>the Roman page numbers say, if the book has them, so if I have a page with
>only the title on it in the Roman section, I generally delete that.
>However, I'm scanning a book now, (and a few others recently), where there
>is one of those pages with only the title on page Arabic 1, with a blank
>page 2, and the first chapter on page 3. I do not delete those pages of
>course.
>Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valerie Maples
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:49 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
> Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
> titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title
> page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
>
> Valerie
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
> Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
> that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author.
> Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and
> then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title,
> author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page?
> Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been
> treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
>
> Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
> layouts? grin.
>
> Judy s.
>
> Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> Hi Denise,
>
> It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
> first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains
> title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only
> contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
>
> So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I
> assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is
> blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and
> enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the
> publisher.
>
> In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual
> title page containing title, author, and publisher.
>
> And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication,
> maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the
> book.
>
> You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title
> page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable
> text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy
> fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
>
> Hope some of that ramble helps!
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came
> back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page
> 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page
> where Chapter One begins.
>
> So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front
> matter needs to be in?
>
> I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want
> to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
>
> Thanks,
> Denise
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:45:53 -0800
>
>Oh Mike,
>
>You have a new scanner on its way? How exciting! What did you get?
>
>Curious minds want to know!
>
>Or was that "Inquiring Minds Want To Know". To quote a really cheesy
>magazine. Can we call The Inquirer a magazine?
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of misha
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:25 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>The actual problem in regard to this question has been cleared up.
>Nonetheless I feel compelled to put in my few cents worth.
>
>The "Real Title Page" almost always is right before the copyright page (but
>not absolutely always). Many times the title and author's name on this
>page
>are in very large and elaborate lettering so OCR makes a hash of it. I've
>even seen books with the title page spread over two facing pages. I've
>seen
>as many as three pages with the title on them, the first page of the book,
>usually just the title, but sometimes the title and author, then blank
>pages
>or review blurbs or lists of other books by the author, then finally the
>"Real Title Page" with the title, author and publisher (though not
>necessarily in that order), then the copyright page, followed by blank
>pages
>or dedications or acknowledgements and so on, then another page with just
>the book title (or infrequently title and author), and finally the actual
>text of the book.
>
>In the past, I have bolded and 20 pointed all title pages, but lately I've
>been doing 20 point bold only for the "Real Title Page."
>
>I'm sure that is more than anyone wanted to actually read, but I'm sitting
>here hoping my new scanner will arrive while I eat lunch and probably like
>nervous gabbling only in the form of typing email.
>
>Misha
>
>On 1/11/2012 12:09 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> > Hi Valerie,
> > All I have to say is:
> > BRILLIANT MINDS!
> > Mayrie
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Valerie
> > Maples
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:03 PM
> > *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> > We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same
> > intent on message delivered minutes apart. LOL Valerie
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM
> > *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> > Hi Judy,
> > I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title
> > page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all
> > instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book
> > begins. Maybe that's overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I
> > was covering my butt and being more thorough this way.
> > Mayrie
>
> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to
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>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Deborah Murray" <blinkeeblink@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Submitted/nonfiction
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:22:15 -0500
>
>Hi all,
>
>I've just submitted for proofing "Pacifism As Pathology: Reflections on the
>Role of Armed Struggle in North America" by Ward Churchill.
>
>It's been read w/headers stripped, page numbers/chapter titles present,
>text/headings/footnotes formatted. 193 pages.
>
>Description:
>"This extraordinarily important book cuts to the heart of one of the
>central
>reasons movements to bring about social and environmental justice always
>fail. The fundamental question here is: is violence ever an acceptable
>tool
>to help bring about social change? This is probably the most important
>question of our time, yet so often discussions around it fall into
>clichés
>and magical thinking: that somehow if we are merely good and nice enough
>people, the state will stop using its violence to exploit us all. Would
>that this were true. "-Derrick Jensen, author ofEndgame,from the
>introduction. Pacifism, the ideology of nonviolent political resistance,
>has been the norm among mainstream North American progressive groups for
>decades. But to what end? Ward Churchill challenges the pacifist
>movement’s
>heralded victories-Gandhi in India, 1960s antiwar activists, even Martin
>Luther King’s civil rights movement-suggesting that their success
>was in
>spite of, rather than because of, their nonviolent tactics. Pacifism as
>Pathology was written as a response not only to Churchill’s
>frustration
>with
>his own activist experience, but also to a debate raging in the activist
>and
>academic communities. He argues that pacifism is in many ways
>counterrevolutionary; that it defends the status quo, and doesn’t
>lead to
>social change. In these times of upheaval and global protest, this is a
>vital and extremely relevant book.
>
>Deborah
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Alisa Moore <alisam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:42:09 -0800
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] FW: Wish Lists for the week of 01/09/2012
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:40:38 -0800 (PST)
>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>I used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that
>titles need only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point
>Bold and not c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think
>I asked Scott, but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back
>correct what I've done on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point
>Bold (and caps?) and 16 for subtitles as I continue and on future books if
>that's what we should still be doing.
>Cindy
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >
> >Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
> titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title
> page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >Hi Mayrie, this raises a question
>for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the
>first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several
>pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page
>of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher
>on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page
>even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with
>title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
> >
> >Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
>layouts? grin.
> >
> >Judy s.
> >
> >Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >Hi Denise,
> >>
> >>It sounds to me like the title
>page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books
>have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher
>only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the
>book, and nothing else.
> >>
> >>So, I'd say not to move the
>title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point,
>before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page,
>just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point
>font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
> >>
> >>In most cases, the copyright
>page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title,
>author, and publisher.
> >>
> >>And after those two pages are
>often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a
>page containing just the title of the book.
> >>
> >>You shouldn't ever need to
>reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan
>clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common
>as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title
>pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >>
> >>Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >>
> >>Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise
>Wagner
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> >>To: bksvol-discuss
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it
>came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be
>on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before
>the page where Chapter One begins.
> >>
> >>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the
>Front matter needs to be in?
> >>
> >>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just
>want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Denise
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:48:02 -0800 (PST)
>From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Not trying to muddy the waters, Cindy, but the email I read from Scott only
>said
>titles did not get converted to all caps. The navigational sizes are all
>bolded, and as follows:
>Titles in 20 pt bold
>Sections in 18 pt. bold
>Chapters in 16 pt. bold
>Subdivisions in chapters 14 pt and bold
>Body of text in 12 point regular unless altered in the print edition
>I typed them each as we would; not sure if my webmail will retain their
>characteristics.
>Valerie
>
>
>Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:40:38 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>I used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that
>titles
>need only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point Bold and
>not
>c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think I asked
>Scott,
>but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back correct what I've
>done
>on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point Bold (and caps?) and 16
>for
>subtitles as I continue and on future books if that's what we should still
>be
>doing.
>Cindy
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >
> >Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
> titles?
> > I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> > indecisive
> >nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I
> figure
> >it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> >
>________________________________
>From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
> >that
> >have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then,
> within
> >the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then
> finally have
> >a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and
> publisher on
> >it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page
> even occurs
> >after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author
> >and
> >publisher on it as the title page.
> >
> >Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
> layouts? grin.
> >
> >Judy s.
> >
> >Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >Hi Denise,
> >>
> >>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
> first
> >>title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
> author,
> >>and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the
> title of
> >>the book, and nothing else.
> >>
> >>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I
> assume that
> >>at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is
> blank. On that
> >>page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20
> >>point
> >>font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
> >>
> >>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual
> title page
> >>containing title, author, and publisher.
> >>
> >>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe
> a blank
> >>page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
> >>
> >>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title
> page of your
> >>book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is
> very
> >>very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
> on title
> >>pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >>
> >>Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >>
> >>Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>________________________________
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> >>To: bksvol-discuss
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came
> back to me
> >>needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
> >>does
> >>already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
> Chapter One
> >>begins.
> >>
> >>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front
> >>matter
> >>needs to be in?
> >>
> >>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
> make
> >>sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Denise
> >
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:00:55 -0800 (PST)
>From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>In the poor etiquette of replying to my own messages, I forgot to mention
>the
>blank line before and after any level of navigation, page break, or page
>number.
> The tool eliminates the lines, but it must somehow serve as a trigger
> that a
>command is coming as otherwise sometimes these are run into text of book in
>my
>experience. Especially page numbers, which can lead to mis-pagination if
>they
>are not recognized.
> Valerie
>
>Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:48:02 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>Not trying to muddy the waters, Cindy, but the email I read from Scott only
>said
>titles did not get converted to all caps. The navigational sizes are all
>bolded, and as follows:
>
>Titles in 20 pt bold
>Sections in 18 pt. bold
>Chapters in 16 pt. bold
>Subdivisions in chapters 14 pt and bold
>Body of text in 12 point regular unless altered in the print edition
>I typed them each as we would; not sure if my webmail will retain their
>characteristics.
>Valerie
>
>
>Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:40:38 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>
>I used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that
>titles
>need only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point Bold and
>not
>c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think I asked
>Scott,
>but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back correct what I've
>done
>on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point Bold (and caps?) and 16
>for
>subtitles as I continue and on future books if that's what we should still
>be
>doing.
>Cindy
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >
> >Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
> titles?
> > I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> > indecisive
> >nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I
> figure
> >it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> >
>________________________________
>From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
> >that
> >have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then,
> within
> >the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then
> finally have
> >a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and
> publisher on
> >it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page
> even occurs
> >after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author
> >and
> >publisher on it as the title page.
> >
> >Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
> layouts? grin.
> >
> >Judy s.
> >
> >Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >Hi Denise,
> >>
> >>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
> first
> >>title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title,
> author,
> >>and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the
> title of
> >>the book, and nothing else.
> >>
> >>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I
> assume that
> >>at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is
> blank. On that
> >>page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20
> >>point
> >>font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
> >>
> >>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual
> title page
> >>containing title, author, and publisher.
> >>
> >>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe
> a blank
> >>page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
> >>
> >>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title
> page of your
> >>book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is
> very
> >>very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable
> on title
> >>pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >>
> >>Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >>
> >>Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>________________________________
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> >>To: bksvol-discuss
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came
> back to me
> >>needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It
> >>does
> >>already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where
> Chapter One
> >>begins.
> >>
> >>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front
> >>matter
> >>needs to be in?
> >>
> >>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
> make
> >>sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Denise
> >
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:31:47 -0800 (PST)
>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: FW: Wish Lists for the week of 01/09/2012
>
>Thanks, Alsa
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Alisa Moore <alisam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:42 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] FW: Wish Lists for the week of 01/09/2012
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:41:13 -0800 (PST)
>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Oh. o.k., Thanks. So the titles in 20-point bold refer only to the titles
>of the books. it was chapter titles I had asked about. Glad to know that
>sections are 18-pont Bold; in earlier books I had put those in 20-point as
>well. I'll save this on a word file as a reminder. My memory gets worse and
>worse
>CIndy
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:48 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >
> >Not trying to muddy the waters, Cindy, but the email I read from Scott
> only said titles did not get converted to all caps. The navigational
> sizes are all bolded, and as follows:
> >
> >
> >Titles
>in 20 pt bold
> >Sections in 18 pt. bold
> >Chapters in 16 pt. bold
> >Subdivisions in chapters 14 pt and bold
> >Body of text in 12
>point regular unless altered in the print edition
> >
> >I typed them each as we would; not sure if my webmail will retain their
> characteristics.
> >
> >Valerie
> >
> >
> >Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
> >http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:40:38 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >
> >I used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that
> titles need only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point
> Bold and not c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think
> I asked Scott, but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back
> correct what I've done on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point
> Bold (and caps?) and 16 for subtitles as I continue and on future books if
> that's what we should still be doing.
> >Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>________________________________
> >> From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >>
> >>
> >>Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
> titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title
> page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
> >> Valerie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >>
> >>Hi Mayrie, this raises a question
>for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the
>first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several
>pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page
>of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher
>on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page
>even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with
>title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
> >>
> >>Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
>layouts? grin.
> >>
> >>Judy s.
> >>
> >>Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >>Hi Denise,
> >>>
> >>>It sounds to me like the title
>page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books
>have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher
>only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the
>book, and nothing else.
> >>>
> >>>So, I'd say not to move the
>title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point,
>before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page,
>just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point
>font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
> >>>
> >>>In most cases, the copyright
>page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title,
>author, and publisher.
> >>>
> >>>And after those two pages are
>often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a
>page containing just the title of the book.
> >>>
> >>>You shouldn't ever need to
>reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan
>clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common
>as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title
>pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >>>
> >>>Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >>>
> >>>Mayrie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>________________________________
> >>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise
>Wagner
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> >>>To: bksvol-discuss
> >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it
>came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be
>on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before
>the page where Chapter One begins.
> >>>
> >>>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the
>Front matter needs to be in?
> >>>
> >>>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just
>want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Denise
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:18:07 -0600
>From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Navigation
>
>I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
>thread on font sizes and the title page. smile.
>What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the
>front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we
>make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't
>use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use
>the XML file.
>
>But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
>multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title
>page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using
>the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point
>even with multiple 20 point font title pages?
>
>Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
>(honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the
>navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to
>navigate through a book. smile.
>
>Judy s.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:05 -0800 (PST)
>From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>
>It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in between
>in the
>instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue. Would probably be an
>issue
>in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is called when there are multiple books
>in a
>volume, but those books have neve not had mutiple title pages, in my
>experience.
> Valerie
>
>Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Navigation
>
>I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
>thread on
>font sizes and the title page. smile.
>
>What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the
>front of
>a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title
>20
>points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY
>navigation
>myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file.
>
>But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
>multiple
>places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in
>regards to
>navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation,
>and
>it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point
>font
>title pages?
>
>Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
>(honest!
>grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation
>for you
>guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a
>book.
>smile.
>
>Judy s.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:06:54 -0500
>From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>
>If the title page and only the title page had the highest navigation
>point I don't really see the point in having that navigation point at
>all. The title page only tells you the title of the book and if you are
>reading the book you probably already know that. I don't do a lot of
>navigation around in Daisy books either, but if I did I would probably
>be uninterested in navigating to the title page anyway. It would not
>interfere with anything for the title page to be a navigation point. I
>just would not have much reason to go there. It would come in handy to
>have that level of navigation available for other things too, so that
>more levels are freed up for other possible navigation levels.
>On 1/11/2012 8:18 PM, Judy s. wrote:
> > I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
> > thread on font sizes and the title page. smile.
> >
> > What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in
> > the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and
> > we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I
> > don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently,
> > as I use the XML file.
> >
> > But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
> > multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title
> > page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using
> > the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point
> > even with multiple 20 point font title pages?
> >
> > Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
> > (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the
> > navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on
> > to navigate through a book. smile.
> >
> > Judy s.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:14:54 -0600
>From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>
>Thanks Valerie, that's helpful! I'm still not sure it's a non-issue.
>smile. I've done hundreds of books too, where I've had multiple title
>pages and only fonted one page with the 20 point font. I'm curious to
>know how well the navigation works with multiple title pages vs one
>title page from the perspective of our blind compatriots as well. smile.
>Judy s.
>
>Valerie Maples wrote:
> > It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in
> > between in the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue.
> > Would probably be an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is
> > called when there are multiple books in a volume, but those books have
> > neve not had mutiple title pages, in my experience.
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> > Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
> > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM
> > *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
> > Navigation
> >
> > I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
> > thread on font sizes and the title page. smile.
> >
> > What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in
> > the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and
> > we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I
> > don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently,
> > as I use the XML file.
> >
> > But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
> > multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title
> > page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using
> > the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point
> > even with multiple 20 point font title pages?
> >
> > Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
> > (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the
> > navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on
> > to navigate through a book. smile.
> >
> > Judy s.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Bob W" <rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:30:53 -0600
>
>Hi Judy.
>Good question.
>If the title pages are consecutive, then there's no need to navigate to
>each one, so why not make the first one 20 points and the rest twelve?
>
>Just my opinion,
>Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judy s.
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
> Navigation
>
>
> I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
> thread on font sizes and the title page. smile.
>
> What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the
> front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make
> the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the
> DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML
> file.
>
> But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
> multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title
> page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the
> DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even
> with multiple 20 point font title pages?
>
> Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
> (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the
> navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to
> navigate through a book. smile.
>
> Judy s.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:34:56 -0800
>
>Hi Judy,
>
>You can just zip really quickly from heading to heading, or navigation
>point
>to navigation point with a daisy reader. It doesn't slow things down to
>have more things enlarged and bolded. But I sure see your point about
>looking for the title page containing title, author, and publisher. But it
>is quick to navigate from one navigational point to the next on most daisy
>readers. It's the matter of one press of a button to go from one point to
>the next most of the time.
>
>Does that help?
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:18 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Navigation
>
>
>I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
>thread
>on font sizes and the title page. smile.
>
>What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the
>front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make
>the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the
>DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML
>file.
>
>But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
>multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page
>in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY
>navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with
>multiple 20 point font title pages?
>
>Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
>(honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the
>navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to
>navigate through a book. smile.
>
>Judy s.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:48:05 -0500
>From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>
>Let me add to my earlier message by saying that even though I would not
>mind the title page sharing the same navigation level as other
>navigation points in the book, I would probably not want more than one
>title page to have it. Like I said, even though it would not interfere I
>would have not much interest in navigating to the title page, but if I
>had to navigate past several title pages before I could go on to other
>navigation points I was interested in then that could become really
>annoying.
>On 1/11/2012 9:14 PM, Judy s. wrote:
> > Thanks Valerie, that's helpful! I'm still not sure it's a non-issue.
> > smile. I've done hundreds of books too, where I've had multiple title
> > pages and only fonted one page with the 20 point font. I'm curious to
> > know how well the navigation works with multiple title pages vs one
> > title page from the perspective of our blind compatriots as well. smile.
> >
> > Judy s.
> >
> > Valerie Maples wrote:
> >> It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in
> >> between in the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue.
> >> Would probably be an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is
> >> called when there are multiple books in a volume, but those books
> >> have neve not had mutiple title pages, in my experience.
> >> Valerie
> >>
> >> Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
> >> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> <mailto:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM
> >> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and
> >> DAISY Navigation
> >>
> >> I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
> >> thread on font sizes and the title page. smile.
> >>
> >> What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in
> >> the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and
> >> we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I
> >> don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently,
> >> as I use the XML file.
> >>
> >> But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
> >> multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct
> >> title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're
> >> using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point
> >> to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages?
> >>
> >> Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
> >> (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for
> >> the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely
> >> on to navigate through a book. smile.
> >>
> >> Judy s.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Naviga
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:52:03 -0800
>
>Hi Judy,
>
>I just downloaded a book that has multiple instances of the title enlarged
>and bolded. Each shows up as a separate navigational point. But I don't
>find navigating between points slowed down by this as for me, whether using
>the xml file, or my audio device for reading daisy, I advance from heading
>to heading simply by pressing a button once. But if only one instance of
>the title is preferred and that instance is (sensibly) the instance where
>it
>appears with the author's name and the name of the publisher, then only
>bolding and enlarging one of the instances of the title of a book in the
>preliminary pages makes sense. But for me, I'd rather have too many
>instances of the title noted than too few. Just my opinion though.
>
>Mayrie
>
>
> _____
>
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:15 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Navigation
>
>
>Thanks Valerie, that's helpful! I'm still not sure it's a non-issue. smile.
>I've done hundreds of books too, where I've had multiple title pages and
>only fonted one page with the 20 point font. I'm curious to know how well
>the navigation works with multiple title pages vs one title page from the
>perspective of our blind compatriots as well. smile.
>
>Judy s.
>
>Valerie Maples wrote:
>
>It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in between
>in
>the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue. Would probably be
>an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is called when there are
>multiple
>books in a volume, but those books have neve not had mutiple title pages,
>in
>my experience.
>
>Valerie
>
>
>Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: Judy s. <mailto:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
><cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY
>Navigation
>
>I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the
>thread
>on font sizes and the title page. smile.
>
>What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the
>front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make
>the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the
>DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML
>file.
>
>But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in
>multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page
>in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY
>navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with
>multiple 20 point font title pages?
>
>Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian
>(honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the
>navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to
>navigate through a book. smile.
>
>Judy s.
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:27:49 -0800 (PST)
>From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question about renewing membership.
>
>Yes, if you proofread or scan books you can earn credits for another year.
>Are you registered as a volunteer?
> I found out that I have no more credits left, so I can't give you any,
> but perhaps someone on this list has some extra they can ask Alisa to give
> to you in the meantime
>Cindy
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Amber <amberanddottie@xxxxxxx>
> >To: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 7:18 PM
> >Subject: question about renewing membership.
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi my membership has ended, I was wondering
>if, I can approve books, to get the credits for another year?
>thanks, amber
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:34:34 -0500
>From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question about renewing membership.
>
>I think there is a credit bank that Alisa can dip into, but that bank is
>bound to be depleted pretty fast if no one earns any more credits to
>donate to it, so it would be very good if Amber could do some volunteering.
>On 1/11/2012 10:27 PM, Cindy wrote:
> > Yes, if you proofread or scan books you can earn credits for another
> > year. Are you registered as a volunteer?
> > I found out that I have no more credits left, so I can't give you
> > any, but perhaps someone on this list has some extra they can ask
> > Alisa to give to you in the meantime
> > Cindy
> >
> > *From:* Amber <amberanddottie@xxxxxxx>
> > *To:* Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *Sent:* Monday, January 9, 2012 7:18 PM
> > *Subject:* question about renewing membership.
> >
> > Hi my membership has ended, I was wondering if, I can approve
> > books, to get the credits for another year? thanks, amber
> >
> >
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:42:56 -0600
>From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
>
>Hi Valerie!
>
>I do the same.
>
>Debby
>
>At 01:49 PM 1/11/2012, Valerie Maples wrote
> >Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter
> >titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my
> >indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title
> >page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
> >
> >Valerie
> >
> >
> >From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position
> >
> >Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books
> >that have the title only on the first page, or the title and
> >author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several
> >times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with
> >the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the
> >title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page.
> >I've
> >been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the
> title page.
> >
> >Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts?
> >grin.
> >
> >Judy s.
> >
> >Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >>Hi Denise,
> >>
> >>It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the
> >>first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains
> >>title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page
> >>only
> >>contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
> >>
> >>So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I
> >>assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7
> >>is
> >>blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and
> >>enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the
> >>publisher.
> >>
> >>In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title
> >>page containing title, author, and publisher.
> >>
> >>And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe
> >>a
> >>blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
> >>
> >>You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page
> >>of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable
> >>text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy
> >>fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
> >>
> >>Hope some of that ramble helps!
> >>
> >>Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----------
> >>From:
> >><mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounce@freeli
> sts.org
> >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM
> >>To: bksvol-discuss
> >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came
> >>back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on
> >>page
> >>7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page
> >>where Chapter One begins.
> >>
> >>So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front
> >>matter needs to be in?
> >>
> >>I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to
> >>make sure I understand for future proofreading.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Denise
> >
> > --
> > mailto:<the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >--
> >The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools
> >pours forth foolishness.
> >Proverbs 15:2 NKJV
> >
> >"Teach me, and I will hold my tongue
> >; Cause me to understand wherein I have erred.
> >Job 6:24 NKJV
> >
>
>
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