Hi Alisa (and all),I actually like getting my proofs back if there's a problem -- that's how I learn. I'll keep making the same mistakes, no matter how small, if they don't come back (or at least an"FYI, we had to fix XYZ"). It can be a little disappointing, and a small hit to the pride for us perfectionists *grin*, but I do take it as a learning exercise.
Denise-----Original Message----- From: Alisa Moore
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 2:31 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Rejection of proofed books Hi all.I want you to know that we (Bookshare staff and Collections Department folks) share your pain around the rejection of books that require only minor editing changes (such as adding page breaks or a font change). Until now, our own staff have been unable to make simple editing changes to your proofed books, and so they've been returned to you for editing, often with only minor edits! What a waste of time for everyone, and we know it creates a lot of frustration and anger to have your work rejected in its entirety, when there are only a few, easily corrected errors.
Happily, we have new product managers who now understand our problem (our not being able to make small revisions in-house) and this issue has been made a top priority in our engineering department to fix asap. I will keep you posted on progress. But please know that we are as eager as you, to make this improvement to our system. We believe that this will reduce as many as 50% of the rejections you now receive on your proofread books, saving all of us time and energy.
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So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in?
I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:15:43 -0800 Hi Denise, It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else. So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher. In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher. And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book. You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in? I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ From: "Denise Wagner" <denisecwagner@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:36:20 -0500 Thank you Mayrie!Yes, that does help. That helps me to know what to look for. I did have a couple of pages with completely unintelligible garbage (one had just “fbâ€, or something like it). I did look in my hardcopy of the book to try to figure out what was scanned, but I must have either confused myself (known to happen *grin*) or I skipped it intending to come back to it later and then forgot.
In any case, now I know what to be on the alert for. Thank you again! Denise From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:15 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Denise,It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher.
And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie --------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all,I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins.
So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in?
I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:40:36 -0800 HI Denise, You're very welcome. Would that all confusions/problems were that easy to solve! Happy proofreading! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:36 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Thank you Mayrie! Yes, that does help. That helps me to know what to look for. I did have a couple of pages with completely unintelligible garbage (one had just "fb", or something like it). I did look in my hardcopy of the book to try to figure out what was scanned, but I must have either confused myself (known to happen *grin*) or I skipped it intending to come back to it later and then forgot. In any case, now I know what to be on the alert for. Thank you again! Denise From: Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:15 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Denise, It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else. So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher. In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher. And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book. You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in? I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:27:31 -0600 From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page. Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin. Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Denise, It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else. So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher. In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher. And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book. You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Denise Wagner *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM *To:* bksvol-discuss *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in? I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOkay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles?
I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisivenature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figure
it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking... Valerie ________________________________ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books thathave the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs
after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin.
Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise,
It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title ofthe book, and nothing else.So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On thatpage, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title pagecontaining title, author, and publisher.And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blankpage, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on titlepages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie
________________________________ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all,I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to meneeding a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It doesalready have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter Onebegins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in?I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to makesure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise
------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:52:05 -0800 Hi Judy, I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and being more thorough this way. Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:28 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page. Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin. Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise, It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else. So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher. In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher. And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book. You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in? I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:02:53 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionWe are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same intent on
message delivered minutes apart. LOL Valerie ________________________________ From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Judy, I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that'soverkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and being
more thorough this way. Mayrie ------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:08:45 -0800 Hi Valerie! Oh, I'm so glad I'm not alone in my potential overbolding and enlarging. I don't think we're hurting anything, and say we should just rock on! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:50 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking... Valerie _____ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page. Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin. Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise, It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else. So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher. In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher. And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book. You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in? I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:09:23 -0800 Hi Valerie, All I have to say is: BRILLIANT MINDS! Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:03 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same intent on message delivered minutes apart. LOL Valerie _____ From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Judy, I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and being more thorough this way. Mayrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:25:19 -0800 From: misha <mishatronics@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position The actual problem in regard to this question has been cleared up. Nonetheless I feel compelled to put in my few cents worth. The "Real Title Page" almost always is right before the copyright page (but not absolutely always). Many times the title and author's name on this page are in very large and elaborate lettering so OCR makes a hash of it. I've even seen books with the title page spread over two facing pages. I've seen as many as three pages with the title on them, the first page of the book, usually just the title, but sometimes the title and author, then blank pages or review blurbs or lists of other books by the author, then finally the "Real Title Page" with the title, author and publisher (though not necessarily in that order), then the copyright page, followed by blank pages or dedications or acknowledgements and so on, then another page with just the book title (or infrequently title and author), and finally the actual text of the book. In the past, I have bolded and 20 pointed all title pages, but lately I've been doing 20 point bold only for the "Real Title Page." I'm sure that is more than anyone wanted to actually read, but I'm sitting here hoping my new scanner will arrive while I eat lunch and probably like nervous gabbling only in the form of typing email. Misha On 1/11/2012 12:09 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Valerie, All I have to say is: BRILLIANT MINDS! Mayrie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Valerie Maples *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:03 PM *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same intent on message delivered minutes apart. LOL Valerie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Judy, I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and being more thorough this way. Mayrie
------------------------------ From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:44:06 -0500I always keep the title page of course, but I either keep or delete the ones with only the title on them depending on how the preliminary page numbering works out. Since I always scan the back cover, and/or inside flaps, (if it's a hardcover), I often have an extra page or two over what the Roman page numbers say, if the book has them, so if I have a page with only the title on it in the Roman section, I generally delete that. However, I'm scanning a book now, (and a few others recently), where there is one of those pages with only the title on page Arabic 1, with a blank page 2, and the first chapter on page 3. I do not delete those pages of course.
Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Maples To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:49 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOkay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...
Valerie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionHi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin.
Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise,It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher.
And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie ----------------------------------------------------------------------------From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all,I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins.
So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in?
I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
Thanks, Denise ------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:45:53 -0800 Oh Mike, You have a new scanner on its way? How exciting! What did you get? Curious minds want to know! Or was that "Inquiring Minds Want To Know". To quote a really cheesy magazine. Can we call The Inquirer a magazine? Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of misha Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:25 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position The actual problem in regard to this question has been cleared up. Nonetheless I feel compelled to put in my few cents worth. The "Real Title Page" almost always is right before the copyright page (but not absolutely always). Many times the title and author's name on this page are in very large and elaborate lettering so OCR makes a hash of it. I've even seen books with the title page spread over two facing pages. I've seen as many as three pages with the title on them, the first page of the book, usually just the title, but sometimes the title and author, then blank pages or review blurbs or lists of other books by the author, then finally the "Real Title Page" with the title, author and publisher (though not necessarily in that order), then the copyright page, followed by blank pages or dedications or acknowledgements and so on, then another page with just the book title (or infrequently title and author), and finally the actual text of the book. In the past, I have bolded and 20 pointed all title pages, but lately I've been doing 20 point bold only for the "Real Title Page." I'm sure that is more than anyone wanted to actually read, but I'm sitting here hoping my new scanner will arrive while I eat lunch and probably like nervous gabbling only in the form of typing email. Misha On 1/11/2012 12:09 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Valerie, All I have to say is: BRILLIANT MINDS! Mayrie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Valerie Maples *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:03 PM *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position We are both the same neurotic, deranged perfectionists, Mayrie! same intent on message delivered minutes apart. LOL Valerie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 1:52:05 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Judy, I treat the page with title, author, and publisher on it as the title page. But because I'm slightly neurotic, I bold and enlarge all instances of the title of the book before the actual text of the book begins. Maybe that's overkill, and might confuse. But I thought I was covering my butt and being more thorough this way. Mayrie
To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. ------------------------------ From: "Deborah Murray" <blinkeeblink@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Submitted/nonfiction Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:22:15 -0500 Hi all, I've just submitted for proofing "Pacifism As Pathology: Reflections on the Role of Armed Struggle in North America" by Ward Churchill. It's been read w/headers stripped, page numbers/chapter titles present, text/headings/footnotes formatted. 193 pages. Description: "This extraordinarily important book cuts to the heart of one of the central reasons movements to bring about social and environmental justice always fail. The fundamental question here is: is violence ever an acceptable tool to help bring about social change? This is probably the most important question of our time, yet so often discussions around it fall into clichés and magical thinking: that somehow if we are merely good and nice enough people, the state will stop using its violence to exploit us all. Would that this were true. "-Derrick Jensen, author ofEndgame,from the introduction. Pacifism, the ideology of nonviolent political resistance, has been the norm among mainstream North American progressive groups for decades. But to what end? Ward Churchill challenges the pacifist movement’s heralded victories-Gandhi in India, 1960s antiwar activists, even Martin Luther King’s civil rights movement-suggesting that their success was in spite of, rather than because of, their nonviolent tactics. Pacifism as Pathology was written as a response not only to Churchill’s frustration with his own activist experience, but also to a debate raging in the activist and academic communities. He argues that pacifism is in many ways counterrevolutionary; that it defends the status quo, and doesn’t lead to social change. In these times of upheaval and global protest, this is a vital and extremely relevant book. Deborah ------------------------------ From: Alisa Moore <alisam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:42:09 -0800 Subject: [bksvol-discuss] FW: Wish Lists for the week of 01/09/2012 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:40:38 -0800 (PST) From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionI used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that titles need only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point Bold and not c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think I asked Scott, but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back correct what I've done on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point Bold (and caps?) and 16 for subtitles as I continue and on future books if that's what we should still be doing.
Cindy
________________________________ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOkay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...Valerie ________________________________ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question
for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
layouts? grin.
Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise,It sounds to me like the title
page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
So, I'd say not to move the
title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
In most cases, the copyright
page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher.
And after those two pages are
often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
You shouldn't ever need to
reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie ________________________________From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise
Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it
came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins.
So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the
Front matter needs to be in?
I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just
want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
Thanks, Denise
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionNot trying to muddy the waters, Cindy, but the email I read from Scott only said
titles did not get converted to all caps. The navigational sizes are all bolded, and as follows: Titles in 20 pt bold Sections in 18 pt. bold Chapters in 16 pt. bold Subdivisions in chapters 14 pt and bold Body of text in 12 point regular unless altered in the print edition I typed them each as we would; not sure if my webmail will retain their characteristics. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ________________________________ From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:40:38 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position I used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that titlesneed only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point Bold and not
c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think I asked Scott,but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back correct what I've done on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point Bold (and caps?) and 16 for subtitles as I continue and on future books if that's what we should still be
doing. Cindy ________________________________ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOkay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figureit cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking... Valerie
________________________________ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionHi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occursafter the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin.Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise,It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title ofthe book, and nothing else.So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On thatpage, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title pagecontaining title, author, and publisher.And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blankpage, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on titlepages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie
________________________________ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all,I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to meneeding a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It doesalready have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter Onebegins.So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matterneeds to be in?I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to makesure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:00:55 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionIn the poor etiquette of replying to my own messages, I forgot to mention the blank line before and after any level of navigation, page break, or page number.
The tool eliminates the lines, but it must somehow serve as a trigger that acommand is coming as otherwise sometimes these are run into text of book in my experience. Especially page numbers, which can lead to mis-pagination if they
are not recognized. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ________________________________ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:48:02 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionNot trying to muddy the waters, Cindy, but the email I read from Scott only said
titles did not get converted to all caps. The navigational sizes are all bolded, and as follows: Titles in 20 pt bold Sections in 18 pt. bold Chapters in 16 pt. bold Subdivisions in chapters 14 pt and bold Body of text in 12 point regular unless altered in the print edition I typed them each as we would; not sure if my webmail will retain their characteristics. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ________________________________ From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:40:38 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position I used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that titlesneed only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point Bold and not
c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think I asked Scott,but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back correct what I've done on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point Bold (and caps?) and 16 for subtitles as I continue and on future books if that's what we should still be
doing. Cindy ________________________________ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOkay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figureit cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking... Valerie
________________________________ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionHi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occursafter the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin.Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise,It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title ofthe book, and nothing else.So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On thatpage, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title pagecontaining title, author, and publisher.And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blankpage, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on titlepages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie
________________________________ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all,I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to meneeding a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It doesalready have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter Onebegins.So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matterneeds to be in?I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to makesure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: FW: Wish Lists for the week of 01/09/2012 Thanks, Alsa
________________________________ From: Alisa Moore <alisam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] FW: Wish Lists for the week of 01/09/2012
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOh. o.k., Thanks. So the titles in 20-point bold refer only to the titles of the books. it was chapter titles I had asked about. Glad to know that sections are 18-pont Bold; in earlier books I had put those in 20-point as well. I'll save this on a word file as a reminder. My memory gets worse and worse
CIndy
________________________________ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:48 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionNot trying to muddy the waters, Cindy, but the email I read from Scott only said titles did not get converted to all caps. The navigational sizes are all bolded, and as follows:Titles
in 20 pt bold
Sections in 18 pt. bold Chapters in 16 pt. bold Subdivisions in chapters 14 pt and bold Body of text in 12
point regular unless altered in the print edition
I typed them each as we would; not sure if my webmail will retain their characteristics.Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ________________________________ From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 4:40:38 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionI used to do that, but recently when I checked the manual I read that titles need only to be 16 point Bold (and not caps) and subtitles 14point Bold and not c aps, and that is what I' e been doing on this book. I think I asked Scott, but can't remember. Am I wrong? I'm not going to go back correct what I've done on this book so far, but I can go back to 20point Bold (and caps?) and 16 for subtitles as I continue and on future books if that's what we should still be doing.Cindy________________________________ From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page positionOkay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking...Valerie ________________________________ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question
for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I've been treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.
Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent
layouts? grin.
Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote: Hi Denise,It sounds to me like the title
page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else.
So, I'd say not to move the
title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher.
In most cases, the copyright
page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher.
And after those two pages are
often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book.
You shouldn't ever need to
reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them.
Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie ________________________________From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise
Wagner
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it
came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins.
So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the
Front matter needs to be in?
I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just
want to make sure I understand for future proofreading.
Thanks, Denise
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:18:07 -0600 From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation
I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile. What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file. But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages? Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile. Judy s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:41:05 -0800 (PST) From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in between in the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue. Would probably be an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is called when there are multiple books in a volume, but those books have neve not had mutiple title pages, in my experience.
Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ________________________________ From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation
I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on
font sizes and the title page. smile.What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20
points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file.But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to
navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, andit's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font
title pages?Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book.
smile. Judy s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:06:54 -0500 From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
If the title page and only the title page had the highest navigation point I don't really see the point in having that navigation point at all. The title page only tells you the title of the book and if you are reading the book you probably already know that. I don't do a lot of navigation around in Daisy books either, but if I did I would probably be uninterested in navigating to the title page anyway. It would not interfere with anything for the title page to be a navigation point. I just would not have much reason to go there. It would come in handy to have that level of navigation available for other things too, so that more levels are freed up for other possible navigation levels. On 1/11/2012 8:18 PM, Judy s. wrote:
I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile. What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file. But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages? Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile. Judy s.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:14:54 -0600 From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
Thanks Valerie, that's helpful! I'm still not sure it's a non-issue. smile. I've done hundreds of books too, where I've had multiple title pages and only fonted one page with the 20 point font. I'm curious to know how well the navigation works with multiple title pages vs one title page from the perspective of our blind compatriots as well. smile. Judy s. Valerie Maples wrote:
It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in between in the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue. Would probably be an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is called when there are multiple books in a volume, but those books have neve not had mutiple title pages, in my experience. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile. What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file. But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages? Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile. Judy s.
------------------------------ From: "Bob W" <rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:30:53 -0600 Hi Judy. Good question.If the title pages are consecutive, then there's no need to navigate to each one, so why not make the first one 20 points and the rest twelve?
Just my opinion, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy s. To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:18 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation
I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile.
What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file.
But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages?
Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile.
Judy s. ------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:34:56 -0800 Hi Judy, You can just zip really quickly from heading to heading, or navigation point to navigation point with a daisy reader. It doesn't slow things down to have more things enlarged and bolded. But I sure see your point about looking for the title page containing title, author, and publisher. But it is quick to navigate from one navigational point to the next on most daisy readers. It's the matter of one press of a button to go from one point to the next most of the time. Does that help? Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:18 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile. What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file. But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages? Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile. Judy s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:48:05 -0500 From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
Let me add to my earlier message by saying that even though I would not mind the title page sharing the same navigation level as other navigation points in the book, I would probably not want more than one title page to have it. Like I said, even though it would not interfere I would have not much interest in navigating to the title page, but if I had to navigate past several title pages before I could go on to other navigation points I was interested in then that could become really annoying. On 1/11/2012 9:14 PM, Judy s. wrote:
Thanks Valerie, that's helpful! I'm still not sure it's a non-issue. smile. I've done hundreds of books too, where I've had multiple title pages and only fonted one page with the 20 point font. I'm curious to know how well the navigation works with multiple title pages vs one title page from the perspective of our blind compatriots as well. smile. Judy s. Valerie Maples wrote:It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in between in the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue. Would probably be an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is called when there are multiple books in a volume, but those books have neve not had mutiple title pages, in my experience. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples *From:* Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile. What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file. But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages? Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile. Judy s.
------------------------------ From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Naviga
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:52:03 -0800 Hi Judy, I just downloaded a book that has multiple instances of the title enlarged and bolded. Each shows up as a separate navigational point. But I don't find navigating between points slowed down by this as for me, whether using the xml file, or my audio device for reading daisy, I advance from heading to heading simply by pressing a button once. But if only one instance of the title is preferred and that instance is (sensibly) the instance where it appears with the author's name and the name of the publisher, then only bolding and enlarging one of the instances of the title of a book in the preliminary pages makes sense. But for me, I'd rather have too many instances of the title noted than too few. Just my opinion though. Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s. Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:15 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation Thanks Valerie, that's helpful! I'm still not sure it's a non-issue. smile. I've done hundreds of books too, where I've had multiple title pages and only fonted one page with the 20 point font. I'm curious to know how well the navigation works with multiple title pages vs one title page from the perspective of our blind compatriots as well. smile. Judy s. Valerie Maples wrote: It is my experience since there are no other navigation points in between in the instances (hundreds) I have done, it is a non-issue. Would probably be an issue in Ombudsmen books or whatever it is called when there are multiple books in a volume, but those books have neve not had mutiple title pages, in my experience. Valerie Keep up with Nichole's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples _____ From: Judy s. <mailto:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 7:18:07 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question on Multiple Title Pages and DAISY Navigation I've got a new question now, after reading the various answers in the thread on font sizes and the title page. smile. What happens with DAISY navigation when there are multiple pages in the front of a book where the title appears as a title-type page, and we make the title 20 points in size on every one of those pages? I don't use the DAISY navigation myself when reading a book currently, as I use the XML file. But, it would seem to me, though, that making the title 20 points in multiple places kind of defeats the purpose of having a distinct title page in regards to navigation? Or doesn't it matter when you're using the DAISY navigation, and it's easy to zip through from point to point even with multiple 20 point font title pages? Is what I'm trying to ask making any sense? I'm not being contrarian (honest! grin). I'm just trying to understand what works best for the navigation for you guys who can't use the visual cues that I rely on to navigate through a book. smile. Judy s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question about renewing membership.Yes, if you proofread or scan books you can earn credits for another year. Are you registered as a volunteer? I found out that I have no more credits left, so I can't give you any, but perhaps someone on this list has some extra they can ask Alisa to give to you in the meantime
Cindy
________________________________ From: Amber <amberanddottie@xxxxxxx> To: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 7:18 PM Subject: question about renewing membership. Hi my membership has ended, I was wondering
if, I can approve books, to get the credits for another year? thanks, amber
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:34:34 -0500 From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: question about renewing membership. I think there is a credit bank that Alisa can dip into, but that bank is bound to be depleted pretty fast if no one earns any more credits to donate to it, so it would be very good if Amber could do some volunteering. On 1/11/2012 10:27 PM, Cindy wrote:
Yes, if you proofread or scan books you can earn credits for another year. Are you registered as a volunteer? I found out that I have no more credits left, so I can't give you any, but perhaps someone on this list has some extra they can ask Alisa to give to you in the meantime Cindy *From:* Amber <amberanddottie@xxxxxxx> *To:* Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Monday, January 9, 2012 7:18 PM *Subject:* question about renewing membership. Hi my membership has ended, I was wondering if, I can approve books, to get the credits for another year? thanks, amber
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:42:56 -0600 From: Debby Franson <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Valerie! I do the same. Debby At 01:49 PM 1/11/2012, Valerie Maples wrote
Okay, am I the only oddball who bolds and 20 points all the pre-matter titles? I figure whichever is the real title is covered, then. Saves my indecisive nature from stalling interminably on which is the "real" title page. I figure it cannot hurt, but maybe that is wishful thinking... Valerie From: Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, January 11, 2012 1:27:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question: Title page position Hi Mayrie, this raises a question for me. I've run into a lot of books that have the title only on the first page, or the title and author. Then, within the next several pages they may repeat that several times and then finally have a page of what is the 'real' title page with the title, author and publisher on it. Which one should I treat as the title page? Sometimes this page even occurs after the copyright page. I'vebeen treating the one with title, author and publisher on it as the title page.Don't you love the publishing industry and how it has consistent layouts? grin. Judy s. Mayrie ReNae wrote:Hi Denise, It sounds to me like the title page that staff is talking about is the first title page (many books have two). The first title page contains title, author, and publisher only. Generally, the second title page only contains the title of the book, and nothing else. So, I'd say not to move the title page that you have on page ten. I assume that at this point, before you've made any changes, that page 7 is blank. On that page, just type the title of the book, bold it, and enlarge it to 20 point font. Then type the author and below that the publisher. In most cases, the copyright page is on the flipside of the actual title page containing title, author, and publisher. And after those two pages are often acknowledgements, dedication, maybe a blank page, and possibly a page containing just the title of the book. You shouldn't ever need to reorder pages. It sounds like the title page of your book didn't scan clearly enough to give you recognizable text. This is very very common as publishers seem to think that fancy fonts are desirable on title pages and OCR chokes on them. Hope some of that ramble helps! Mayrie ---------- From: <mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Denise Wagner Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:45 AM To: bksvol-discuss Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Question: Title page position Hi all, I have a simple question. I submitted a book I proofread and it came back to me needing a title page. The note indicated it should be on page 7. It does already have a title page on page 10 right before the page where Chapter One begins. So, the question is: Is there a particular order in which the Front matter needs to be in? I plan to move the title page, of course, to page 7, but I just want to make sure I understand for future proofreading. Thanks, Denise-- mailto:<the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -- The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness. Proverbs 15:2 NKJV "Teach me, and I will hold my tongue ; Cause me to understand wherein I have erred. Job 6:24 NKJV
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