[bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers and Headers on the Same Line

  • From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:22:07 -0500

Lisa,

BookShare put through a large upgrade late last year that enables page numbers to be put into the Braille files. The numbers are the same as those that are found in DAISY. The numbers are only as good as what the automated processes can find, so if they aren't included in the submission, they won't be accurate in either DAISY or BRF. In addition, only new BRFs have this functionality as the whole collection hasn't yet been reprocessed.

Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Leonardi" <lml5280@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers and Headers on the Same Line



Actually, that does help. But what about brf files? Will the page numbers be in those too? I've read countless books which contain the braille page numbers, but not the print numbers. Which, doesn't matter most of the time, unless it's a reference book which then could cause a problem. Just wondering.

Lisa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers and Headers on the Same Line



Lisa,

That's probably because as you said, you don't get the whole Stripper thing.

The Stripper strips text from headers, not page numbers. It processes the
page numbers when it finds them which can make it look as if they are
stripped if you use a tool which doesn't handle the page numbers in the same
way that Bookshare does. Unfortunately, KES and Bookshare don't treat page
numbers in the same way at the moment, so many members think that the
Stripper has stripped them.


It's a DAISY issue which is a bit involved and is difficult for most
volunteers to understand. The bottom line is that prior to last April the
DAISY specification did not state exactly how page numbers should be
treated, and not everyone implemented them the same way in DAISY, so they
don't always show up even though they are there. At some point in the
future though when all the tools support the DAISY standard which was
released last year and Bookshare has rerun the entire collection back
through the tools, then these page numbers which members insist have been
stripped will all show up in K-1000 and other tools which implemented the
page numbers differently than Bookshare.


HTH

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lisa Leonardi
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:01 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers and Headers on the Same Line

Hi, all.

I don't really get the whole stripper thing. I've tried it several ways, but

it still seems that when I validate a book, the page numbers get stripped.
Just my two cents.


Lisa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:52 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page Numbers and Headers on the Same Line



If I understand things correctly, you should either strip them out
yourself, or make them consistent so that the automated stripper can do
it. I believe that if you put the title or author header on a separate
line from the page number, it will not be stripped. I think the stripper
looks for page numbers and consistent, repetetive text on pages.


I'm sure one of the big guns will correct anything wrong here, but if I
understand things correctly, if it sees a page number on a line by itself,

then it leaves the page alone, so the title and author information will
not be removed.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Blanks" <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Page Numbers and Headers on the Same Line



Hey all,

So, when I'm scanning books, and the page number is immediately followed
by the book title or author on the same line, am I better off placing
each on a separate line? If so, should I place a blank line in between
the two?


Thanks,
Scott


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