What I was commenting on was not whether home economics is or should be taught in school,but, rather, that it is unjust to teach it only to females. Learning to do things like cooking and sewing is the learning of useful skills that will help everyone in everyday life. Everyone, that is, unless you are a member of the ruling class and can turn such chores over to the servants. I do not mention servants incidentally. It is servant work and to teach it only to females and not to males assumes that females are and should be servants to males. I have devoted a large portion of my life to movements that oppose the practice of dividing people, whether it is by sex or station of birth, into masters and servants. We are all people and even though we might have to specialize on an individual level it is completely unjust to make us specialize on the basis of our status. That means that if home economics is going to be taught it should not be taught only to certain people because of what they happen to have been born as. By the way, I also dislike the name home economics. It has about as much to do with economics as secretarial science has to do with science.
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In Christian universities and high schools and for home schoolers there are home economics courses still.--"To me, music that breaks your heart is the music that stays with you forever. It's one thing to be melancholy and one thing to be sophisticated, but when you get the two of them together in a way people can relate to, then I think you're on to something. You want the sophistication to lie in the purity of the sound, the beauty of the arrangements, and the quality of the performances."-Trumpeter Chris Botti-- Chela Robles AIM and E-Mail: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx Skype: jazzytrumpet WindowsLive Messenger: cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxxFacebook Profile: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=690550695Cell: 1-925-250-5955I Volunteer for a non-profit organization called Bookshare, to find out more go to: http://www.bookshare.org Are any of you trumpeters and have facebook? If so, come join The Facebook Jazz Trumpeters at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=2588375265&ref=ts------- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: questionInterestingly enough, when I was in junior high school home economics was required for females and shop class was required for males. I don't think I ever heard that it was prohibited for a female to take shop or for a male to take home economics, but I am pretty sure that it was effectively prohibited. That is, if someone asked to take the other class it would have at least caused a good deal of consternation among both the teachers and the administrators. At the time I fulfilled my requirement by taking the shop class despite the fact that I had virtually no interest in it. I also had no interest in the home economics class either, but I do remember that the whole set-up struck me as grossly unjust. Both classes really did teach some useful skills and yet half the population was being tracked away from skills that they might need in the future. The usefulness of the skills taught in shop class were a lot more limited than those taught in home economics class, but the ones taught in the home economics class were highly useful to anyone in life. I am fortunate that I, like most men, learned the home economic skills that were needed on my own as the need arose -- well, I still can hardly sew a stitch -- but that purposeful tracking of students on the basis of sex by institutions was despicable then and insofar as it is still going on I still think it is despicable. In truth, though, I now don't know much at all about primary through secondary school curriculum, but I really hope some lessons have been learned and I do congratulate the women's movement for teaching so many of the lessons that society at large has learned in recent decades._ _ _"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." - George Bernard ShawThe Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Maples" <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:55 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: questionYikes! That's what I get for not checking my speech recognition. Home equity as was supposed to be home ec was required.Valerie On May 10, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Valerie Maples wrote:If cookbooks aren't educational, then you've got me! Home at quiz required when I was in school, and even though I know it is no longer required, it certainly is both educational and helpful toward independence. I don't think it should be limited to just the basics, I think children need the opportunity to explore in areas even if it's to expose them to the world of gourmet foods and ingredients.Then again I did grow up with a gourmet chef, so maybe my judgment is slightly different.Valerie On May 8, 2010, at 6:30 AM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:Probably you are right, Judy, although I was thinking there are lots of teen cookbooks. I have one here at home now that I am going to scan although every time I go to my scanning shelf I keep moving it to the bottom of the pile.I like cookbooks and I like to cook even though I don't do it very often, and I think a good cookbook is essential to everybody whether or not they can see. People have to eat right? 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