[bksvol-discuss] Re: Kurzweil pagination
- From: "Julie & Miss Mercy, avon representative" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:51:30 -0400
Hi, Amy. I understand what you're saying. I only mean that user-defined page
numbers doesn't help anyone but you, or if you submit in the KES format, it
might help the validator, but once the book is converted away from the KES
format, all those user-defined page numbers are lost. The page numbers that
are actually put in the book do stay there, of course. Take care.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:05 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Kurzweil pagination
Actually, it does work if you count the preliminary pages or find the first
Arabic numbered page and count back to Arabic number one, then You will
know by subtracting the number of pages preceding page one from the total
number of pages at Arabic #1, you will have the number by which you can
always know where you are. The book I am working on now has 10 pages before
page 1 so that wherever I am I know that the page number the program gives
me is ten pages more than the text number. If I need page 360, I go to
navigation and have it set to go to page 370. I can always find the page I
want if I know the differential. Now it does not work if the scanner has not
included all of the blank pages which would be counted.
Now with books that are not figured that way, like one I recently read,
which had 2 different page numbers for most pages, the only way I could get
where I wanted to go was to make sure I remembered words on the page which I
could have the the search engine find. I will go experiment with books I
have done or know were done that way and see what else I can find.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie & Miss Mercy, avon representative" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Kurzweil pagination
> Hi, Amy. Your method is good for editing and scanning purposes, but those
> user-defined page numbers are lost when the file is converted to anything
> other than Kurzweil. It has no effect on the pagination of the book
> itself.
> Take care.
> --
> Julie Morales
> Email & Windows/MSN Messenger: mercy421@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM mercylab421
> http://juliemorales.avonrepresentative.com/
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:22 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: perhaps some rethinking might b in order?
>
>
> Someone not familiar with the K 1000 may not understand that Kurzweil has
> a
> dual numbering system but the scanner needs to take advantage of the "user
> sets page number" option which means that we set them page number at the
> first Arabic numeral page number so that if the book has an introduction
> or
> other material in roman numeral page numbers they are not included in the
> pagination but Kurzweil also number the pages in terms of beginng of book
> to total. Thus the story may begin at page 3 which is where I begin my
> User
> sets page number with number 3 but in the strip under the book there is
> Page 3 but also below that may be something like Page 13 of 385. This is
> what I call the Kurzweil count. Without using the user sets page number,
> the
> only number the computer shows it what I am calling the Kurzweil number
> and
> it will rarely match the pagination on the pages themselves. In all the
> books I have done, even after converting them to RTF, I have never had a
> problem with that pagination as long as the contents of the book has page
> numbers that are matching the ones on the page. To do this one has to
> begin
> the page number with that Arabic numeral. Kurzweil will label all previous
> pages as "preliminary page #x". The only other thing one must be careful
> of
> is to include all blank pages after the Title page so as to keep the
> pagination matching.
>
> Amy
> omsm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 3:33 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: perhaps some rethinking might b in order?
>
>
>> Hi, Jackie,
>>
>> This is the proper place for this message.
>>
>> But I am a little confused by your message. I have scanned dozens of
>> books
>> in two-page mode with K1000 and before that with OpenBook. I do it all
>> the
>> time. I haven't seen any book I have scanned where the page breaks did
>> not
>> correspond with the page numbers. If this happens, then I am curious how
>> it occurs. Some setting is wrong perhaps? Since page recognition is an
>> OCR
>> issue,
>> two-page mode should work fine with the standalone versions of the OCR
>> engines that OpenBook and K1000 use, such as FineReader, Recognita and
>> Scansoft.
>>
>> It's hard to say more without knowing what software you are using, but if
>> it has a two-page mode, then the page breaks should correspond with the
>> page numbers while scanning two pages at the same time. If whatever you
>> are using has this option, make sure it is set before starting to scan.
>>
>> Sorry I can't be more helpful than that.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:58 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] perhaps some rethinking might b in order?
>>
>>
>>> Hello, all:
>>>
>>> I don't really know where this should go so if this isn't the right
>>> place, some1 tell me where 2 take it & I will.
>>>
>>> I just had a book rejected because page breaks don't correspond
>>> w/printed page numbers. The manual says there should be a 90%
>>> correspondence. I have a few concerns about this, which I wish 2
>>> express, & then I'll shut up.
>>>
>>> 1) The volunteer was correct, according 2 the manual, 2 reject the
>>> book, so I need 4 her 2 understand my problem is not w/her. She did
>>> what she was instructed 2 do.
>>> 2) My problem is w/the policy. Specifically, when a paperback is
>>> small enough 2 scan 2 pages at once, I think it's ridiculous 2 expect
>>> a close page number correspondence. It will discourage people from
>>> scanning because scanning will take twice as long since each page will
>>> need 2 b scanned individually. That's not fair, not to the person
>>> submitting the book & not 2 the readers.
>>>
>>> I really hope that this policy will be reexamined & some changes made.
>>> The volunteer acknowledges that it was an excellent scan, that all
>>> copyright & publication information was present, & that the only
>>> reason 4 rejection was the issue of page numbers. Yall, that's not
>>> right.
>>>
>>> Again, if this isn't the proper venue, plese accept my apologies &
>>> tell me where to go, as it were. If it is, then I hope some
>>> productive discussion can be generated & some resolutions obtained.
>>>
>>> Thanking every1 in advance for their attention.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jackie McBride
>>> Check out my homepage at:
>>> www.abletec.serverheaven.net
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