[bksvol-discuss] Re: Kipling's--and others'--poetry
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:33:57 -0700 (PDT)
Unfortunately I can't valdiate Kurzweil.
Cindy
--- Amy Goldring Tajalli
<agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> One for my side Thank you Cindy. There ought to be
> some way that the
> geniuses at bookshare - I mean the ones that
> program their computers -
> could program the computers to recognize
> indentations, be they tabs or
> spaces or periods but something. even wordperfect
> got those right even when
> they could not get 2 pp. of print the same size. The
> pages of poetry I
> vallidated with Kurzweil were easy to correct the
> few where the scansion was
> off. What do the publishers tell their computers ?
>
> I will download the books you mention as soon as I
> can download anything. I
> have VRS again and the Unpack and I have finally
> gotten rid of Openbook and
> the voice that came with it which may have been why
> I could not get VRS when
> I tried it earlier this week. So I now have now
> other reading program except
> Viktor and I need some pure escapism and tried to
> downloard Mary Stewart's
> Merlin quartet but nothing happened. I wrote John
> and then tried his
> suggestions but still no good. So I am waiting to
> hear back again.
>
> In the meantime, I submitted the Kurzweil scan of
> the Complete Verse of
> Rudyard Kipling, the Definitive Edition or, as I
> call it, the good, the
> bad, the ugly, and the really great.But trying to
> work on it with the
> programs I have was masochistic. I don't know how it
> will be to try and
> validate an rtf file originally from something other
> than Kurzweil I
> tried it with Openbook so I don't know if it would
> have been different with
> a book that was scanned by openbook.
>
> I will wait for now until I find out how to use the
> programs I have which I
> hope will be soon as there are books I already know
> I want to validate and
> have agreed to do so as soon as I can. Tolkien and
> Faulkner among them.
>
> Wwish me luck and feel free to try the Kipling if it
> is accepted.
>
> Amy
> omst
> back to looking for the queen's cats.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 7:48 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Kipling's--and
> others'--poetry
>
>
> > Really? People were saying they preferred
> paragraph
> > indenting to skipped spaces between paragraphs,
> and
> > sometimes skipping lines, especially if there's a
> lot
> > of dialogue, gives pagination problems, even when
> I
> > try to length the page.
> >
> > Then there's no way to format poetry?
> >
> > Would you please download And Still I Rise, by
> Maya
> > Angelou, and also Silk, by Baricco and tell me
> what
> > they look like? Or sound like? Silk isn't a poem
> but
> > was written sort of like one so I validated it
> keeping
> > the author's line lengths. I think I used tabs,
> > though. I didn't know about adjusting line length
> > using the line indentation setting in paragrpahs
> in
> > the format file.
> >
> > I can't think of any poems I've done recently
> except
> > for quotations as part of something else. Perhpas
> if
> > you have time you could download Transit of Venus
> and
> > check page 81 and see if the quotation at the
> bottom
> > of the page is indented.
> >
> > Maye fixing things so tabbing doesn't appear
> should be
> > put higher up on the Wish List. Amy's right about
> the
> > importance of poetry being formatted correctly,
> > especially for students. I wonder what the Chinese
> > poetry I did a few years ago looks like--and I
> spent
> > so much time trying to get that right. sigh
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> You'll probably find that paragraph indenting is
> >> gone as well.
> >>
> >> Jake
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:01 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Kipling's--and
> >> others'--poetry
> >>
> >>
> >> > Amy,
> >> >
> >> > If you can submit it in rtf I can format poetry
> as
> >> the
> >> > author intended.
> >> >
> >> > Before I used tabs, but quite a bit after that
> we
> >> were
> >> > told that tabs don't do any good. Too bad,
> because
> >> > that was so easy. However, there is a way,
> though
> >> it
> >> > takes longer, to re-set the line margin. I'd
> use
> >> the
> >> > space bar, which would be easier, but somebody
> >> > mentioned that the spaces are annoying. Is
> that
> >> just
> >> > for those of you who listen, or also for those
> of
> >> you
> >> > who use braille? Is there a way you can turn
> off
> >> > whatever is annoying about the spaces? Using
> >> spaces to
> >> > indent lines of poetry would be so much easier,
> >> less
> >> > time-consuming, than using the line setting.
> smile
> >> >
> >> > Cindy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- Amy Goldring Tajalli
> >> > <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> amen. I looked for Kipling and there was only
> >> one
> >> >> volume very well recorded
> >> >> but when I wanted to hear it again It had
> >> >> disappeared. I got rfb to record
> >> >> what turned out to be the complete kipling but
> >> then
> >> >> had to deal with people
> >> >> reading poetry with no real knowledge of how
> to
> >> do
> >> >> it and with difficulty
> >> >> pronouncing some of the Names and names of
> places
> >> -
> >> >> understandable if you
> >> >> are not familiar with India or 19th Century
> >> British
> >> >> army terminology. Though
> >> >> even today I would guess it would not be hard
> to
> >> >> find kids who have read the
> >> >> poetry in The Jungle Books or the Just So
> Stories
> >> or
> >> >> their parents, too. I
> >> >> appreciate the work rfb volunteers went
> through
> >> to
> >> >> record that tome but I
> >> >> wanted the poems as he wrote them so I scanned
> >> the
> >> >> book with Kurzweil and am
> >> >> now trying to make sure the poems scan
> properly
> >> >> (scan as in lines as K wrote
> >> >> them of the length he wanted them). I may
> have
> >> to
> >> >> submith the Kurzweil
> >> >> copy which scan (copied) the pages correctly
> but
> >> >> they don't always come out
> >> >> that way and I was warned that theBookshare
> >> computer
> >> >> would ignore the lines
> >> >> much as they did in other books of poetry I
> have
> >> >> gotten but I can only try
> >> >> to get someone to realize the importanct of
> the
> >> >> lines. However, I have hopes
> >> >> even If I cannot do it. In any event it has
> to
> >> be
> >> >> better, even with a
> >> >> computer voice, that what I heard. in the well
> >> meant
> >> >> recording.
> >> >>
> >> >> Amy
> >> >> omst
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Shelley L. Rhodes"
> >> <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:25 PM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] NLS's Taopes and
> >> >> electronic files
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Someone, I believe it was on here was
> wondering
> >> >> why we should work on
> >> >> > books
> >> >> > already recorded on cassette by NLS.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a story to tell and how to illustrate
> a
> >> >> good advantage for doing
> >> >> > just
> >> >> > that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I borrowed from my local cooperating branch
> a
> >> copy
> >> >> of
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rilla of Ingleside.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It arrived her the other day and I popped it
> >> into
> >> >> the player, have been
> >> >> > wanteding to read this and had Just finished
> >> >> Rainbow valley.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well... the tape was old, and warped, and no
> >> >> matter all the "usual"
> >> >> > tricks,
> >> >> > I couldn't get the tape to play properly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So... after being disgusted by it, putting
> it
> >> back
> >> >> into its little green
> >> >> > box, slapping the string on the latch and
> >> thinking
> >> >> I would call them today
> >> >> > about it, I had a brainstorm.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I got online, found Rilla of Ingleside in
> the
> >> >> Bookshare collection and
> >> >> > grabbed it, popped it into the book courier
> and
> >> >> all was well again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I do like listening to human readers though
> >> some
> >> >> of them are quite grating
> >> >> > on me, but I still like the flexibility of
> >> >> choosing what format works best
> >> >> > for me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Smile.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This isn't the first time this has happened,
> >> >> but... it was the most
> >> >> > recent.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
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> >> >> >
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