[bksvol-discuss] Re: Attention Scott, Re: Re: Large Print Editions, China and Chintz series, question about PQ books

  • From: Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:43:22 -0800

Evan,

This is a case of the sort of volunteer "value add" that we are trying to 
account for more elegantly in our catalog software.

During the height of the initial inflow of digital books from publishers 
several hundred books would come in every day and PQ books would automatically 
displace the originals. Sometimes editions with significant differences (such 
as being public domain editions) were moved out of the collection and archived. 
At the moment engineering is discussing ways to take these books out of the 
archives and add them back. There are many steps to that process so the changes 
probably won't be soon.

Scott Rains
Benetech Fellow, Bookshare Volunteer Department
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On Behalf Of Evan Reese [mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:27 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Attention Scott, Re: Re: Large Print Editions, 
China and Chintz series, question about PQ books

Well, for quite some time there were two editions of Gregory Benford's In
the Ocean of Night on Bookshare, a PQ version that contained the original
text, and a version published later that Carrie scanned and I proofread that
contained revised text. In the later edition, Benford pushed forward dates
of some of the fictional events in his story and made references to actual
events such as the space shuttle explosion that weren't in the original
text. Now, there's only the PQ version. The later edition is no longer up
there. If that is an indication of anything, then it would seem to mean that
Bookshare isn't going to take into account such things as different text in
different editions and intends to keep only one edition of each book. If
that's what they want to do, I think this is the wrong decision, but...

Evan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Attention Scott, Re: Re: Large Print Editions,
China and Chintz series, question about PQ books


>I agree absolutely that books with different editions, where there has been
>changes or additions to text, that they should not count as duplicates. I
>would be willing to bet that they don't. I believe that the Nancy Drew
>books have some of the original and the modern editions, but I wouldn't
>swear to that.
>
> Melissa Smith
>
> On 11/16/2010 2:29 PM, Roger Loran Bailey wrote:
>> As to that last sentence, I wonder about that too. Perhaps Scott can give
>> us a definitive answer. Do different editions of a book count as
>> duplicates at Bookshare. I have thought that it might be good to scan
>> certain books with minor variations in editions such as a different
>> introduction. If I knew that it would not be rejected as a duplicate I
>> just might consider undertaking certain editions like that. In the case
>> of a large print book versus a standard print book in which the text is
>> exactly the same I would not bother to scan a different edition of that
>> and I do not necessarily see the advantage of having both editions, but
>> sometime the differences can be pretty major or even if it is minor there
>> is value in having both editions. I would be interested in what does and
>> what does not count as a duplicate in the matterof different editions.
>>
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:35 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Large Print Editions, China and Chintz
>> series, question about PQ books
>>
>>
>>> Dear Debbie,
>>>
>>> Most large print books the sold at bookstores and to libraries,
>>> including
>>> Thorndike Press  are 16 point. Their page lengths don't correspond with
>>> their regular print counterparts. Large print editions have
>>> approximately
>>> %35 more pages than regular print books though this changes according to
>>> the
>>> varying lengths of regular print pages. Textbooks are in larger format
>>> because they are produced to retain the same amount of text per page so
>>> children using them would be on the same page numbers as their
>>> classmate,
>>> thus the larger format. It must require a larger page to reproduce the
>>> same
>>> amount of text and graphic material in a larger format. Children's large
>>> print textbooks also leave more space between lines, not a complete
>>> empty
>>> line, but a little more white space to help low vision children track
>>> without moving unintentionally between lines when they read. Children's
>>> books, especially for the lower grades,  may be in a larger font, as
>>> well,
>>> but 16 point is fairly standard.
>>>
>>> When Evan and I prepare large print books for Bookshare, we reduce the
>>> font
>>> to 12 point, the font we always use for content, then mark up in bold in
>>> 2
>>> point increments.
>>>
>>> O.T. I used braille in school, but my older brother had large print
>>> textbooks. In my teaching, about three fourths of my students read large
>>> print and one fourth read braille.
>>>
>>> I love proofing books using large print to double check errors because,
>>> even
>>> with the help of my CCTV cranked up to high magnification, it is easier
>>> for
>>> me to decipher nice, bold, uniform, 16 point text. I try hard to find
>>> large
>>> print books at library book sales, but since, for the most part, it is
>>> the
>>> popular books chosen to be offered in large print, it isn't easy to find
>>> large print books that aren't already in the collection scanned in
>>> regular
>>> print, or sometimes in large print.
>>>
>>> Currently I'm proofing the large print edition of A Hex of a Wedding,
>>> number
>>> 6 in the China and Chintz series. Our file of book 5 in this
>>> entertaining
>>> series, A Harvest of Bones was from the Large Print edition as well.
>>> Amber
>>> W. Natasha B, Carrie Carnos, Christine and Maive worked on books 1-4 of
>>> this
>>> series about a Medium who is the parent of 2 children, who has a younger
>>> fireman boyfriend and great friends. These books are paranormal
>>> mysteries,
>>> told with a light, not silly touch.  You don't have to be a fan of
>>> paranormal lit to enjoy them. I recommend them to anyone who likes
>>> mysteries, including cozy mysteries. As far as I know, when book 6 is
>>> approved, Bookshare will have the complete series to date.
>>>
>>> I wonder if when a book is replaced by a PQ  book, its counterpart would
>>> be
>>> kept if it's from a large print book with a different ISBN.
>>>
>>> Enjoy your large print scanning!
>>>
>>> Always with love,
>>>
>>> Lissi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Franson"
>>> <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:12 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Large Print Editions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Bob and everyone!
>>>>
>>>> One of the books that I scanned:
>>>>
>>>> "And Then There Were Two: A Dani Ross Mystery by Gilbert Morris"
>>>>
>>>> says on the last page in part:
>>>>
>>>> The employees of Thorndike Press hope you have enjoyed this Large Print
>>>> book. All our Large Print titles are designed for easy reading, and all
>>>> our books are made to last. Other Thorndike Press Large Print books are
>>>> available at your library, through selected bookstores, or directly
>>>> from
>>>> the publisher.
>>>>
>>>> Although the book was in what they consider "large print", this was not
>>>> a
>>>> large book like I used to notice the large print textbooks my friends
>>>> were
>>>> reading in grade school, which were oversized books.  The book scanned
>>>> very well.  I would guess the size of the print was 14 point, but I'm
>>>> not
>>>> sure.  It certainly was not oversized.  Large print means different
>>>> things
>>>> to different people.
>>>>
>>>> Debby
>>>>
>>>> At 04:43 PM 11/15/2010, Bob W wrote
>>>>> Hi Melissa. I think I've seen books that say something about being in
>>>>> large type in the collection.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would think these books would present problems for a scanner.
>>>>> OCR
>>>>> programs are usually set up for standard size print, not large print.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my opinion,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith"
>>>>> <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: "Bookshare Volunteer List" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 4:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Large Print Editions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I double checked the scanning and proofing manual, but didn't see
>>>>>> anything about this in the section on what books are eligible for
>>>>>> Bookshare. Can we submit large print editions?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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