Bill, Then it must have been you and your friend these lepidopterists saw. Did you ever see a car or cars driving by? They would not have had butterfly nets because these people are watchers and photographers, not collectors. Stan William R Wood wrote: >I live in Fountain Hills and have observed at Mt Ord 4-5 times over the >years (warm months only). Like Tom and Gene said there is an access road >right off Beeline. I have never seen the gate locked or closed. Don't know >if it is locked when closed. Went by last Sunday (daytime) during a >controlled burn and the gate was open. The access road is easy to navigate >up to a saddle part way up the mountain. I never tried going to the top >because several guys in 4x4 jeeps who I saw coming down from the top said >the road was rough and the trip up took quite a while (forget how long they >said it took but it was more time than I wanted to spend). There is enough >room on the saddle for several cars and scopes (people camp there as well). >I always went with a friend who drove a pretty big camper and we were alone >on the saddle. Observing conditions were pretty good, seeing decent >(suprising since most of the mountain is above the saddle and very close >by - I thought falling cool air off the mountain would wreck seeing but it >didn't). Plenty of lights visible to the south but they did not cause much >of a problem in other directions. Then again I did not expect truly dark >conditions. It was darker than my backyard but not enough darker to justify >the trip unless you just like trying a new area. It is kind of neat up >there and I will probably go back from time to time. > > > > -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.