I use Roscoe Cine-Gels which I get from Tempe camera. I think the #24 is a good dark red. This stuff is nearly indestructable I made a frame from 1/16 Kydex and made it removable by using Velcro Dots to hold it in place. HTH Beevo (aka Bill VanOrden) -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.